Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78E9B801E for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 93740 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2011 17:46:24 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 93692 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2011 17:46:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 93684 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2011 17:46:23 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:46:23 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of apache@robweir.com designates 69.89.21.8 as permitted sender) Received: from [69.89.21.8] (HELO oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com) (69.89.21.8) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:46:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 10411 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2011 17:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host181.hostmonster.com) (74.220.207.181) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2011 17:44:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=robweir.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version; bh=oGnbAvII89u+e8qC2TdiWR+SxwNWi/4mKm7Siz223j8=; b=P7ATf/PCO823WNNb7XdeWF6S55YnY/bkLMGFEuSS2OgL7Pdm7bkvJwYelroxm6uUmdaEKOd8bszKkkAkTfS4req3LllY6dkEMsX/sTmeUcp7h0qbM+v82mQYlotVHFwR; Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]) by host181.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QrvXZ-0005ln-5C for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:29:01 -0600 Received: by iym1 with SMTP id 1so2012821iym.0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.132.10 with SMTP id hs10mr1110181icc.239.1313170140328; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.223.1 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9F70AC73-E7A7-4B20-9937-B01D186C62A2@webmink.com> References: <1313163000.14857.6.camel@sybil-gnome> <9F70AC73-E7A7-4B20-9937-B01D186C62A2@webmink.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [WWW] Web analytics From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Identified-User: {1114:host181.hostmonster.com:robweirh:robweir.com} {sentby:smtp auth 209.85.210.169 authed with apache@robweir.com} On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 16:30, drew wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Well, I thought I'd start this list - unless folks think it is too soon >> of course. >> >> Currently the OO.o web sites, all of them, utilize a third party >> analytics firm (not Google). This is done by requiring that each site >> inject a small bit of JS in the page footer. (this was another >> requirement for the forums as an example and is used also at the >> extension/template repository) >> >> Going forward does the PPMC desire to use a third party analytic firm - >> i.e. Google. >> >> or >> >> Do we prefer to do it all in-house. (just guessing that their may be >> some knowledge on this subject in the overall Apache project :) > > > Before taking that step, it's worth asking if the project actually has a = need for web analytics yet. They were included on OO.o site mainly because = Sun was using the data as part of its business metrics. It's not obvious th= at the same need exists in AOOo. > I think it is an essential tool to optimizing the web experience for our visitors. It is part of a feedback loop where we look at the traffic stats, how our website is actually being used, the demographics of the visitors, etc., and then iteratively improve the website to make it more useful. For example, if we noticed that a particular page was getting a large number of visits from Italy, but was not translated into Italian, we might prioritize getting that page translated. Or, if we found that a given page was a top destination for Google queries for "OpenOffice UNO" but we considered that another page had more useful information, then we might optimize the keywords in the other page to make it rate more highly in future searches. Things like that. We may not be a business at Apache, but we have similar goals to increase visitor satisfaction and getting the most value out of the website. I think analytics is no-brainer. On the question of Piwik (open source, used, for example by LibreOffice) versus Google Analytics, I'm very familiar with Google, so I could help more there. But I don't have an informed opinion on the virtues of each. I've never heard of Piwik until today. > S. > >