Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A29D73EA for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24615 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2011 19:06:44 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24473 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2011 19:06:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24465 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2011 19:06:43 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:06:43 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of andy@the-martin-byrd.net designates 204.16.46.6 as permitted sender) Received: from [204.16.46.6] (HELO smtpscan-5.userservices.net) (204.16.46.6) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:06:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtpscan-5.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D892C282AC for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: virus free Received: from smtpscan-5.userservices.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtpscan-5.userservices.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10099) with LMTP id reCppF0-Hq-o for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hosting5.userservices.net (hosting5.userservices.net [207.109.251.80]) by smtpscan-5.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B494C2827A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (ip72-199-161-23.sd.sd.cox.net [72.199.161.23]) by hosting5.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2341E191100A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E569D1D.10500@the-martin-byrd.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:06:05 -0700 From: Andy Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [migration] Decision making References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Donald Whytock wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> But again, objections must be from committers, backed with >> technical arguments and the willingness to implement alternatives. > > The Apache voting policy page you linked agrees that binding votes are > from committers, and that "all others are either discouraged from > voting (to keep the noise down) or else have their votes considered of > an indicative or advisory nature only." > > But some things may require noise. I for one am essentially lurking > here as a user, watching the progress of the product on its way to > becoming once again current and viable. I'm technical, but have never > touched the guts of OOo. > > So if you bring up a change, presented as a lazy-concensus proposal, > and I think it would adversely affect my experience as a user, I'd > very much like to be able to object, even if my objection is > non-binding. I can't stop you, but on the other hand I'd rather you > not stop me. > > Don Hi Don, I will speak only for myself but as a PPMC member I know that I would want to see reasonable, though out, objections from the users. That said, it would have to be more than "I object to such and such". Details is what is needed. Andy