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Subject: RE: Fundraising
From: Jean Hollis Weber <jeanweber@gmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:45:38 +1000
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On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 11:17 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanweber@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:44 AM
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Fundraising
> <snip>
> > 
> > 
> > Profits from sales of printed copies of ODFAuthors (formerly OOoAuthors)
> > books are held by the not-for-profit organisation[1] that publishes those
> > books. The money from OpenOffice.org user guide sales is designated to "be
> > used to benefit the community". This could include things like costs of
> > conference attendance, 
> 
> Did you have any community members apply to go this year's ApacheCon;
> and were they accepted?
> 
> If any AOOo community folks applied for Apache Travel Assistance funds to
> go to ApacheCon this year, should we have refused and sent them to you
> instead and should we continue this segregation in the future? Shall all the
> committers and community members all able to apply to the ASF for 
> Apache Travel Assistance with the sole exception of the AOOo community
> and committers, because the funds will be covered as you mentioned by
> the friendsofopendocument.org ?

That is not what I said, suggested, or implied. You are either
misreading or being deliberately provocative; from your tone, I suspect
the latter. Why?

I said funds *could be* used for purposes like those examples I gave. I
made no suggestion that these funds *should be* used in place of any
money available from Apache or elsewhere, and certainly not that they
*would be* so used... just that they existed and *could be* used in ways
that benefit the community.

Also, I made no reference to ApacheCon nor mentioned any specific
conference. I was thinking, in fact, of people who attend conferences
for librarians or technical writers or educators (as examples) to
promote (Apache) OpenOffice.org -- more of a marketing function.

--Jean

> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Gav...
> 
> 
> > copies of books for display at conferences, copies of
> > books (including translations) for distribution where cost is an issue for the
> > recipient, possibly payment to writers of docs on specific topics... and other
> > things I haven't thought of while writing this note.
> > 
> > As Simon suggests, any such disbursement of funds is between us and the
> > recipient, as the money does not go to or through any OpenOffice.org
> > account, assuming such a thing exists.
> > 
> > [1] Friends of OpenDocument, Inc., http://friendsofopendocument.org/
> > 
> > --Jean
> 
>