Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B68D82C5 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15356 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2011 16:56:57 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 15103 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2011 16:56:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 15095 invoked by uid 99); 30 Aug 2011 16:56:56 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:56:56 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of dennis.hamilton@acm.org designates 75.98.160.130 as permitted sender) Received: from [75.98.160.130] (HELO a2s15.a2hosting.com) (75.98.160.130) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:56:49 +0000 Received: from 63-226-210-225.tukw.qwest.net ([63.226.210.225] helo=Astraendo) by a2s15.a2hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QyRbw-0001Hb-3P for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:56:28 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" To: References: <4E5D092D.2060508@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: An example of the license problems we're going to face Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:57:38 -0700 Organization: NuovoDoc Message-ID: <011001cc6735$ed181d90$c74858b0$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQFXjKLDCw/VhnwJckDx58NrQ2l4bgJjQvx8A2/cicECtpzBQAHfdj25lcwGHmA= Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s15.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - acm.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Yes, it did receive attention. It does not seem to have exercised the = folks on legal-discuss over-much. The question was whether this, being = noticed in CC-BY 3.0 was a blocker, but it turns out the provision has = been in there since CC-BY 2.0 and those licenses are still on the = good-guy list, AFAIK. However, the way a DRM delivery satisfies the CC-BY requirement is to = provide notice that the work is available under a CC-BY license and = identify its source in non-DRM form. This seems most bothersome for sound recordings and works in the = performing arts, multi-media, etc., where the DRM delivers a = performance. The Kindle example is easy, because the original copyright = and license information can be visibly included as part of the work. If = Amazon worked around that, they would void their use of the work under = CC-BY. I suppose on videos, it could go right up there with the FBI and = Interpol notices. =20 I think this is FUD, Rob. - Dennis =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 09:39 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Phipps = wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Suppose someone wants to take parts of >> the AOOo code, along with the associated documentation, and create an >> iPhone app from it. The ALv2 would permit them to do this with the >> source code, but CC-BY 3.0 would not allow the same for the >> documentation. Similarly, one could not take the documentation, add >> value to with additional content, and then sell it for $0.99 for the >> Amazon Kindle. >> > > Please can you explain why you believe this to be so? > "You may not impose any effective technological measures on the Work that restrict the ability of a recipient of the Work from You to exercise the rights granted to that recipient under the terms of the License." IANAL, but that was the clause that got attention on legal-discuss when reviewing CC-BY 3.0. -Rob > S. >