From ooo-dev-return-3425-apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Aug 12 12:56:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6E348735 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 329 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2011 12:56:24 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 264 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2011 12:56:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 256 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2011 12:56:23 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:56:23 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jogischmidt@googlemail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.214.47] (HELO mail-bw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.214.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:56:18 +0000 Received: by bkbzu17 with SMTP id zu17so1810573bkb.6 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=h3pYqiUQd7lUHysAek0KAL3PWfh1gqZZ8aTpbS6KSf4=; b=B8UxG+D1AH0AoRnAlTr5onsGP74u0cM7WCFRKAOBT3VEpvBybrSxU8OI8Wsk8zueOV QIoKg6GtGjO/87mFwLAs6swDvQ7kfEGvaZMdmO0Td2mPu6Y5UcMgta6AegQ0pU3VVj+/ arxyAIObxEeU5sH6uPsP7WYAbyxb/StSqlw6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.193 with SMTP id a1mr269623bkc.74.1313153757386; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.101.196 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [email] openoffice.org email / user transition From: =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=BCrgen_Schmidt?= To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c711b893e999104aa4e6f15 --00248c711b893e999104aa4e6f15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > I haven't seen any recent progress on planning the transition for > openoffice.org email. > > > > Sooner or later the openoffice.org mail server will be replaced. We have > seen that the system is flakey and has been down for as much as one week in > the last month. > > > > (1) Mailing Lists. Maps have been proposed to transition the many mailing > lists into fewer lists. > > > > Do all of these openoffice.org mailing list addresses become aliases for > apache.org mailing list addresses? > > > > Please, no. OOo has an 100's of mailing lists, many of then with > very few subscribers and only spam as traffic. > > For example, the "Afar Language" project has 5 separate mailings list, > but only one across them. That is the commit message for the website: > > http://openoffice.org/projects/aa/lists > > Other projects get traffic, but it is entirely spam: > > http://openoffice.org/projects/about/lists/issues/archive > > > So I think we end up, in the end, with a much much smaller number of > lists. Avoid the fragmentation and encourage collaboration. If we > have more than a dozen lists in the end I will be very disappointed. > i agree we don't need all the existing mailing lists. Maybe we should send out a message to all lists that they will go out of maintenance in the near future and that people should join the Apache project. For now the ooo-dev list. > > > What about the subscribers to the mailing lists? Do we need to make them > all resubscribe? > > > > Perhaps we should decide that based on the existing OOo privacy policy. > > > (2) openoffice.org registered users. > > > > Should we have a way to maintain openoffice.org email aliases? Who do we > do this for? > > > > The problem we're going to run into is that there are both official > openoffice.org email addresses, like webmaster@openoffice.org, > stories@openoffice.org, cdrom@openoffice.org. And then there are user > accounts at the same domain, given out rather freely. > > If we are able to, under the site's existing privacy, to audit the > user accounts, we should do so, to ensure that all of the "official" > ones revert to the PPMC. This would include ones that were intended > to be official, as well as ones that may have been accidentally or > even surreptitiously created, with names that imply they represent the > project, e.g., sales@openoffice.org, either in English or in other > languages. I'm not saying such accounts exist, but it is prudent to > check. > it's a difficult question to answer because from a community point of view we would probably like to keep them all if possible. I would at least request some kind of sign of life from any existing user account that she/he want to keep this alias. I have no real opinion how important a xy@openoffice.org email address is for some users, i hope not really important. But who knows? Juergen > > One might fairly point out that at Apache, we also use the same email > domain for official and personal email addresses. This is true. But > apache.org addresses are only given to committers, who have submitted > an iCLA, giving their real name, address, etc. So we have recourses > if such accounts are abused. > > From the branding perspective, I would also be concerned if we had > large numbers of people, not associated with the project, using email > addresses that imply affiliation. > > Am I trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist yet? A fair > question. I'll give an example of the things that we need to watch > out for: > > http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html > > We need to tread very carefully. There are things here that potential > could threaten Apache's non-profit status. I think that we should be > vetting every web page, every email address, every source file, every > online service that we put out as representing this Apache project. > > Also, whatever we do with the forwarding addresses, I'd recommend that > existing users of such addresses switch to something else for their > Apache forwarding addresses. Otherwise there is a real risk that > during the migration that you would miss list traffic. This is > especially important for anyone involved in the migration of the email > forwarding service itself. > > > Do legalities prevent us from retaining the user database? > > > > I have no idea what the best answers are. I do think that the plan does > need to be communicated to places like users@openoffice.org. > > > > Yes. > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > > > > > > --00248c711b893e999104aa4e6f15--