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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )
Date Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:18:40 GMT

On Aug 14, 2011, at 11:06 AM, drew wrote:

> On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 13:37 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
>>> [from out of left field]
>>> Would members consider transferring ownership of the current repository
>>> hosted on the OSUOSL server to a third party, perhaps created
>>> specifically to take this over, and then working with them to create the
>>> indirect reference site under the AOO project, filtering out
>>> un-acceptably licensed items as a way to achieving option #2. This would
>>> move the entire repository without needing to locate individual authors.
>>> 
>> 
>> I don't see how we can claim ownership of the content on the OSUOSL
>> server.  
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> Well, I'm not at all sure I agree with that, what exactly happened then
> when the Sun brand came off the site and the Oracle brand went up, that
> was window dressing with regards to the site name - Oracle could not of
> moved the site to xxx.oracleoffice.org even if they also maintained a
> live redirect of the old address? 
> 
>> It was not part of the Oracle SGA, as far as I know.  So it
>> is not ours to give to a 3rd party.
>> 
>> But if a 3rd party steps forward and is willing to navigate the
>> licenses and figure out way to host them all, then I'd wish them the
>> best of luck.
>> 
>> The main technical things we need to coordinate are:
>> 
>> 1) How are submissions made to the catalog
>> 
>> 2) How is the catalog queried?
>> 
>> 3) How are extension updates propagated?
>> 
>> 4) Do we want a single catalog, in the style of Firefox plugins, or
>> allow multiple catalogs, perhaps filtered by support category or
>> license, like Ubuntu?
>> 
>> 5) What do we need to do to ensure a clean programmatic interface to
>> the catalog (a RESTful service) as well as a good end-user UI?
>> 
>> 6) Is there a way we can manage, with sufficient user data protection
>> provisions, some sort of recommendation engine, where extensions are
>> recommended either based on user actions, or based on ratings and
>> similarities to other users (collaborative filtering)?
>> 
>> 7) Is there anything we can do to allow the user to interact with
>> extensions (browse, sort, filter, download, rate, update, etc.)
>> entirely within OOo editors?
>> 
>> So in general, I think this is an opportunity to do more than just
>> re-host the existing extensions site.  It is an opportunity to rethink
>> how users and extensions authors could interact.
> 
> I agree with much of that 
> - I guess I would opt here to pull us back from either my
> out-of-left-field idea, or the perfect solution for the moment.
> 
> Just hit the templates site and it's back, I would rather we ask the
> current admin about what, if any, maintenance is needing done on the
> site, and then we should offer, if it would help, to try and find some
> volunteer help to get that done, asap. 

Here is what an OSUOSL admin said in July when this happened last:

> Looks like varnish died on the machine and I just kicked it. The site(s)
> should be back online now.
> 
> The sites have been in an unstable state for quite a while mostly
> because neither we (OSL) nor Sun/Oracle had time to fix the performance
> issues both of the sites entails. Couple that with the fact that the
> machines they power those sites are very underpower considering the load
> they take. It's gotten so bad that we've turned off notifications
> because they just go off all the time.
> 
> What really needs to happen is to have the sites completely
> re-architected from the ground up with scaling in mind. At least one of
> the sites is a stock Drupal 5.0 with a very hacked core. I know some
> Sun/Oracle engineers had been working on fixing that into a Drupal 6
> module but I'm not sure where that left off.
> 
> Anyways, If you would like some more help with how these sites can be
> fixed moving forward, please let me know. But we are strectched thin for
> resources.
> 
> Thanks-

The offer is there. I'll give anyone the admin's email and off the list if you want to contact
him.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> While not to lose focus on working those longer term ideas.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> //drew
> 


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