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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [www] html instead of markdown (mdtext)?
Date Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:26:08 GMT
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Gavin McDonald <> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir []
>> Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 5:45 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [www] html instead of markdown (mdtext)?
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Kay Schenk <>
>> wrote:
>> > I am proposing that we adopt plain HTML for the OOo website instead of
>> > the current markdown (mdtext) implementation.
>> >
>> > I hesitate to make this recommendation given ALL the time and research
>> > Dave and others have already spent on the current incubator website,
>> > but, I feel, given that we will be migrating a rather large existing
>> > site, it makes sense.
>> >
>> Where can I find the sources for the current website?  Not the wiki stuff, but
>> the parts that you think would be difficult to migrate?
>> > I also realize that doing this will "break" the ability to use the
>> > webgui editing capability of the Apache CMS, forcing everyone to use
>> > svn for page updates. However, I don't have a good feel right now for
>> > the ultimate impact of that -- e.g. what do we expect in terms of web site
>> editors.
>> >
>> > This would allow us to continue to use the default template system
>> > (Dotiac::DTL) but eliminate the need for wrapping or intermixing
>> > markdown text with normal HTML. HTML files shouldn't require any
>> > "wrapping" functions at all I think, since this is the indigenous
>> > format for web servers. We would have to bypass header, footer and
>> > navigation items for anything that
>> > *isn't* html, like js, css files.
>> >
>> We should also consider that the best approach might be to not do mdtext
>> and not do Dotiac::DTL, but to adopt a newer framework.
>> > Unfortunately, I've had a very difficult time this week trying to find
>> > any information on the setup details of Dotiac::DTL (documentation not
>> > available) -- the relationship of the two .pm files to the template
>> > areas, etc.
>> >
>> > I took at look around at many the Apache web areas (svn) at:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You will see, as I did, that the vast majority are not using markdown,
>> > and this is NOT a requirement.
>> >
>> > Anyway, thoughts/comments on this proposal?
>> HTML is not a panacea, of course.  It is very easy to design pages that look
>> bad, are broken from portability,  internationalization and accessibility
>> standpoint, introduce security issues, etc.  So having a constrained markup
>> can be a good thing for a web site that you expect many people of various
>> skill levels to edit.
>> Just a thought:  Could you do the entire website in MediaWiki, with only
>> exception cases (download page, etc.) done in HTML?
> Just to put a blocker on this right away, we will not be using the wiki as the
> main website or the main entrance into the OOo world.

Since it is not self-evident to me why a wiki would be a problem for
the main website, could you explain this a little further?  Is there a
technical problem?  Remember, the wiki already comprises several
thousand pages of website content, so in a very real sense the "main"
website is already the wiki.

> The website will
> be housed where we house all our websites, on the main www infra
> machines, with code kept in svn. How that code gets there can differ and
> there are a variety of publishing tools and CMS to do the job. The preferred
> CMS of course is the built in CMS - which is being used currently.
> Other methods can include putting html pages directly in svn and these can
> be hand written, produced with a build tool such as Maven or  Apache Forrest
> or whatever.
> Continue discussing but please take the wiki out of the equation as being the
> main website. The wiki will be treated like the forums and like the bug tracker
> etc, as a resource.
> Gav...

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