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From Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])
Date Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:59:33 GMT
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:

> 2011/8/11 Jürgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@googlemail.com>
>
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On 10 Aug 2011, at 23:12, Rob Weir wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler <
> > > rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 8 August 2011 16:14, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> From my perspective, I don't see the one BIG list as bad,
but it
> > would
> > > be
> > > >>>> VERY helpful if folks could label messages more succinctly
and
> > > restrict
> > > >>>> discussion to rather specific aspects.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +1
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Not to mention useful subject lines (take a look at what the
> original
> > > >>> subject was for the thread I took this from - I didn't edit the
> > > >>> original and it is not truncated)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> And, documenting what's been discussed is CRITICAL! It is
madness
> to
> > > try
> > > >>> to
> > > >>>> sift through these messages to get to the "implementable"
aspects.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +1
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I really like the practice I see in some communities where someone
> > > >>> will take long rambling threads and post a "[summary] foo bar"
mail
> > > >>> the the thread periodically. This is brilliant for those needing
to
> > > >>> catch up and also acts as a description of "impementable"
> conclusions
> > > >>> and community consensus that is emerging.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ross
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> Great idea if we could find a volunteer! I tried to do this (only
> > once)
> > > on
> > > >> the "refactoring discussion" but I'll tell you some of these
> > discussions
> > > are
> > > >> SO lengthy it's impossible.
> > > >>
> > > >> Maybe we'll do better (and some good soul will step up for the
> > > documentation
> > > >> aspects) if we can adhere to some discussion standards.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > We have a mailing lists page:
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
> > > >
> > > > A list of proposed subject tags would fit very well there, after the
> > > > first paragraph.   Committers can easily edit this using the Apache
> > > > CMS in their browsers:
> > > >
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/edit-cms.html
> > > >
> > > > For example, I just added the link the email tips earlier today.
> > >
> > > It would be better to put the list of subject tags on the community
> wiki
> > so
> > > that those of us who've not been invited to be committers can also edit
> > it.
> > >
> >
> > where is the problem here, if you want to be a committer you know the
> rules
> > and can follow them. I don't see a real problem if you contribute
> valuable
> > content to the project. If you should have a problem with the iCLA then
> it
> > is your problem.
> >
>
> I'm not sure this is an appropriate topic to discuss here, but that strong
> comment begs a one-time response. Apart from the big, atypical, unmetered
> sign-up at the start of the project (in which I did not participate as I
> have too much respect for the term "committer" at Apache to want to get the
> role that way), the only way I am aware of to become one is to be invited
> by
> the PPMC. I've made a variety of contributions to this Apache project since
> it was proposed and they speak for themselves.


please accept my apologies if you feel attacked. I highly appreciate your
contributions and my comment wasn't against you.
A committer don't have to be a code committer only as you know, so i don't
see a problem for you to become a committer.


> As for the ICLA, I have not
> commented on it, I am not sure what you're implying and I suggest you avoid
> further accusations.
>

forget it, it was a stupid comment from my side. Probably my long history
and the never ending story around the former SCA makes me sensitive and i
think it's simply annoying when people don't want to become a committer
because of the iCLA. I know that is not true for you. So again sorry.


>
>
> > And by the way new tags will or should  be discussed here anyway and
> > probably some of the committers will add new approved tags quite fast.
> >
>
> Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a
> controlled access page and would suggest doing so is what needs justifying.
> I have not seen a reasoned counter to my proposal for it to be on the
> community wiki, so will probably create such a page soon (unless someone
> else wants to).
>

I think Rob has already pointed out why the list of tags besides the mailing
list is a good idea and i support it.

Juergen



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