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From Terry Ellison <>
Subject Re: [email] RE: [Discuss] ASF hosted email service [Was: Re: [Discussion]]
Date Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:31:49 GMT
>> Your svn and Apache (server) response just emphasises our disconnect. 
>>  OOo
>> is aimed at normal mortals who don't even know what a command prompt is.
>>  Could you imagine you grandfather, mother or young child wanting to use
>> either of these?  Fruitcakes and viagra spam on a website are 
>> irrelevant to
>> the continuance of a mail forwarding service.  Your last point is that we
>> need a migration / mitigation plan.  On that point +1
> I agree it there is a disconnect. But I still think you are making a
> false distinction. The difference between end-user and developer or
> admin software is in *what* is created. It is not necessarily a
> difference in *how* it is created. I've worked over 20 years on both
> kinds of software, open source and proprietary, end user, developer
> and admin, and they are not developed differently. A quicksort is a
> quicksort, regardless of whether it is on your iPhone on your server
> or on the International Space Station. Usability testing is the same
> whether you are are testing an enterprise system monitoring product or
> a children's game. Technical writing is the same everywhere. You
> make assumptions about your audience and you target that background
> and skill level.
> I acknowledge that the OpenOffice software is different than
> Subversion or Apache server. (At least parts of it -- but we do have
> developer modules, UNO API, etc.) But I think that difference has
> few implications for how the project is run. In other words, the
> argument "OpenOffice is different so we need to do it the same way we
> always did it", is not really a well-founded argument at all.
> Prefacing an assertion with "The Community will be offended if we
> change" is similarly not an argument. Obviously a significant part of
> "the Community" was offended by not changing enough,
> and they went to LibreOffice. I think in both cases we need to be
> forward-looking and ask what will best grow the community growing
> forward, preferably a community that is comfortable working at Apache
> and ideally is not quite so easily offended.
Siggghhhh.  I didn't -- and I don't think that I have ever -- said 
"OpenOffice is different, so we need to do it the same way we always did 
it".  Please don't put these words in my mouth.  My point was that a 
product with this breadth of functionality and targeted at a 
Jo-Bloe-end-user community does have different support characteristics 
from most products that Apache has nurtured; we should al least consider 
the continuity impacts if we decide to curtail any existing support 
service, and mitigate them where appropriate.

After my 20 years in software development, I then spent the next 10+ on 
taking over accounts, handing them over, and dealing with messes that 
some account execs create.  I want to avoid seeing this project go the 
way of some failures that I've witnessed.  Somehow we need to get past 
this storming, and work towards building consensus and generating solid 

Regards  Terry

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