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From imacat <ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
Subject Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])
Date Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:25:25 GMT
    So, I'm not the only one that thinks reading this list is a heavy
task. ^^;

On 2011/08/12 10:56, Rob Weir said:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Aug 2011, at 02:41, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber <jeanweber@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories
on the community wiki.  I see no reason why it needs to be maintained anywhere else requiring
higher ceremony.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> No one is going to find it on the wiki.  The new list subscriber,
>>> signing up on the list, is typically going to find the list from this
>>> page:
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>>
>>> That is where the mailing list info is, the instructions on how to
>>> subscribe.  That is also where we point to other mailing list
>>> guidelines.  It is an ideal place to put the suggested topic tags,
>>> putting the mailing list info together in one place.
>>
>> How about adding a link from there to the wiki?
>>
> 
> Because you're going to get negligible click through.  You might get
> some visitors to accidentally have their eyeballs glance over the list
> of topic tags if you have it there, in the page, right next to to list
> information that are seeking.  They might pick some of this up in
> passing.  But I expect that very few visitors will click through to a
> list of topic tags, unless that was the purpose of their visit.  And
> most cases it won't be.  And if it is actually the purpose of their
> visit, then having the info right there, without requiring a click, is
> even better, right?
> 
> Let's do this in a way that makes the website most useful for the
> visitor to the website, rather than falling back to less useful
> approach that may be easier for the author.
> 
> You can just submit a patch for the website.  This isn't rocket
> science.  No iCLA required. You don't even need markdown if you don't
> want to bother.  Just post something that looks patch like, e.g.:
> 
> -----------------
> 
> Subject: [PATCH] Topic tags for ooo-dev mailing list
> 
> In first section of the mailing list webpage [1] please add the following:
> 
> In order to facilitate automated filtering of threads, etc., mailing
> list posters are requested to clearly identify the topic of their
> posts using one of the following tags:
> 
> etc/
> 
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
> 
> 
> -----------------
> 
> Any committer could then take that enhancement and add it to the
> website.    Note that by sending this as a patch you also inform the
> continuing membership of the list of the new topic tags.  If you
> merely put that info on the wiki, then it would not be noticed, unless
> of course you sent a note to the list.  But in that case, what effort
> have you really saved yourself?
> 
>>>
>>> If topic tags are changing at so rapid a rate that updating the
>>> website for them is inconvenient, then we're probably misusing them.
>>> If they are meant to be hints to human readers, then they can be fluid
>>> and change frequently and allow small variations, like Twitter tags.
>>> In that case, there is no need to document them.  Subscribers learn
>>> the "folksonomy" by observation.  But if they are being used for email
>>> inbox filter rules, hard coded into subscriber mail clients, then
>>> these better be relatively fixed and we lose nothing by putting them
>>> on the website.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> - Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>


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