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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: [Discussion]
Date Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:48:04 GMT

On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote:

> On 19.08.2011 19:25, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>> 4) Shut down to new posts?
>>>>> No
>>>> So why wouldn't we want to shut down that list?
>>> Why are you asking when you want to do it anyway? ;-)
>>>> is getting 20 spam per day.  I'm a moderator on
>>>> ooo-dev and we see maybe 1 spam every 2 weeks.
>>> I said I see up to 20 spam mails on the other both ML. I don't know how much
we get on dev@ooo.
>>>> Real posts at are infrequent and are not getting
>>>> responded to.   But ooo-dev is clearly where the thriving dev
>>>> discussion is occurring.
>>>> Aren't these good reasons to consolidate the dev discussion in one
>>>> place? Is there any advantage to have it be fragmented across two
>>>> lists, especially if one list is mainly getting spam?
>>> If so, it would be the same reason to shutdown also other mailing lists. So,
we could do it will all.
>>> As Mathias said, the shutdown will happen anyway. No need to force it.
>> At some point in the near future the ASF will take over the DNS for
>> Once that occurs we must do some type of managed change over of the
email to whatever we want.
>> What do we want?
> What do you mean?
> The old OOo project mailing lists don't make sense in the new setup and
> they should be closed. The more I think about that, the more I like the
> idea to close the existing mailing lists soon.

user@ooo gets traffic. We would certainly want to direct that list membership to an ooo-user@i.a.o
ML. I think that it would be a good indication to that part of the community.

Other lists would might need a similar outreach.

> The mail addresses OTOH should be preserved. They
> are only forwarding addresses now and they can be kept that way, can't they?

Not sure about it. There are considerations.

(1) How do we get the forwarding data from Oracle? Is it legal to transfer the list, or is
it required?

(2) Will the ASF host this forwarding on the normal mail servers

(3) Who on the OOO PPMC will handle the daily administration of these forwarders as individual
email addresses change?


> Regards,
> Mathias

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