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From Daniel Shahaf <...@daniel.shahaf.name>
Subject Re: Fundraising
Date Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:55:34 GMT
Would a for-profit be able to retain Section 8 in the license?

Wolf Halton wrote on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 05:35:57 -0400:
> One way th handle the issue is to have both a non-profit and a for-profit
> arm to an organization.  The NGO foundation side handling education and
> development issues and the for-profit side handling everything else.
> Plainly, this might not be a viable option to us for half a dozen reasons;
> from a perceived dilution of the "brand," to alienating developers.  It
> would work in a sense just like any other for-profit company offering
> support for an NGO, but would have the added benefit of making it easier for
> other companies to help, as they could hand money over to the for-profit
> Apache Inc in an extremely straightforward manner - payment, not donation.
> This makes it no harder to get a tax break on the moneys so offered, as
> "professional services" is still a deductible expense, just as "donations"
> are (in some cases).
> 
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>wrote:
> 
> > I don't have any specific comment on this; you might talk to fundraising@.
> >
> > Ian Lynch wrote on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:52:40 +0100:
> > > On 15 August 2011 02:20, Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Raphael Bircher wrote on Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 08:01:45 +0200:
> > > >
> > > > > I assume that a donnation to the ASF is only tax-free in the US.
> > > > > Every Country has here there oven criteria. That's the reason why
> > > > > Wikipedia has NGO's in each Country. It means, donnation to the ASF
> > > > > will not be Tax-Free in Switzerland.
> > > >
> > > > I'm aware of one case of an entity incorporated in Europe having wanted
> > > > to donate to the ASF but faced tax issues in the process.  They ended
> > up
> > > > supporting the project in other ways.
> > > >
> > > > BTW: I don't see ASF having NGO's in each country.  Having one NGO is
> > > > enough overhead...
> > > >
> > >
> > > In the UK you have to be a registered Charity with a board of trustees to
> > > get tax relief on donations. Setting up a charity is much more involved
> > than
> > > setting up a company. Many non-profit companies are either CICs or
> > companies
> > > limited by guarantee rather than limited companies with shareholders. One
> > > reason why we are a straight limited company is that unless we were a
> > > charity there really isn't much advantage.
> > >
> > > One other method of getting resource into the projects is through EU
> > grants.
> > > Over the last 2 years I have written 3 successful applications with a
> > grant
> > > value of about 800,000 Euros.  Unfortunately, the recent OpenOffice.org
> > > application failed, but that was on a legal technicality because the
> > > submitting organisation in Germany was not the right type of legal entity
> > > :-( The application was deemed to be good enough. So I propose that we
> > put
> > > in at least 2 versions of this through 2 different teams to different
> > > National Agencies. One for Apache OOo and one for LibO. Since the
> > > application is based on certification of end users we could "clone" this
> > > application further eg to other Apache projects that could benefit from
> > > skills certification or more generally other FOSS projects such as
> > Inkscape,
> > > GIMP, Audacity etc. If anyone has any suggestions for Apache projects
> > that
> > > could be candidates, or better still interest in running such a project
> > > please speak up. You need to be able to apply through a legal company or
> > > public sector body in an EU country. We can get grant funding to meet and
> > > plan and I will provide whatever support is necessary. I can find
> > partners
> > > in a range of EU countries.
> > >
> > > We can apply for these grants each year (unless the EU changes the
> > system).
> > > If we can use these to get viable certification programmes for FOSS
> > going,
> > > that can then generate further income in perpetuity. It's low risk
> > because
> > > the grants are not money that has to be repaid but it is in our (FOSS)
> > > interest to set up a sustainable business so that we are not dependent on
> > > them in the future.
> > >
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> > > Ian
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> >
> 
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