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From "Gavin McDonald" <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
Subject RE: How to handle the downloads?
Date Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:31:40 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2011 8:54 AM
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads?
> 
> Am 08/04/2011 12:38 AM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 6:45 PM
> >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads?
> >>
> >> Am 08/03/2011 02:17 AM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 9:40 AM
> >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads?
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 08/02/2011 11:03 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 12:55 AM
> >>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for you note. Then we should implement adownload method
> >>>>>> withthe fllowing order:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. User clicks on the One-Click-Download URL and get the software
> >>>>>> (like today on "download.openoffice.org").
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. If not, he can use alternative download links (like today
on
> >>>>>> "download.openoffice.org/pther.html").
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. If a special mirror has to be used, the list of all available
> >>>>>> mirrors
> >>>>> will help
> >>>>>> (like today on
> > "http://distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/#mirrors").
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Latest with step 3 all users should be able to download something.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yep, all possible here at the ASF right now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> See www.apache.org/mirrors for our equiv of step 3.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've already understood that you don't want the OOo mirrors but
> >>>> that we should use the Apache ones. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Hi Marcus,
> >>>
> >>> don't count me as 100% on that yet, I want to know more about the
> >>> OOo mirrors too.
> >>
> >> OK, if you have already questions just ask and I will try to give
answers.
> >
> > not yet, working on it,
> >
> >>
> >>> I just didn't want to be maintaining 150+ projects on one mirror
> >>> system and
> >>> 1 project
> >>> on another mirror system. maintaining one mirror system is easier,
> >>> so If that is possible and our mirroring system can cope, and we can
> >>> maybe coax a few more mirrors our way all the better. Some of our
> >>> existing mirrors may decide that bandwidth is too much and leave, so
> >>> we need replacements.
> >>
> >> I don't know about bandwidth but to get an impression about size and
> >> amount please have a look here. This mirror has rsync'ed everything
> >> that
> > was
> >> released by Sun and Oracle:
> >>
> >> http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/openoffice/
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> >>
> >>> If it makes sense to try and merge these somehow, I want to pursue
> >>> that avenue.
> >>
> >> A first step should be to look for doubles.
> >
> > yep,
> >
> >>
> >>> We may need both for some time, we can not put non ASF releases on
> >>> our mirroring system anyway so what we are trying to resolve is from
> >>> our first ASF release onwards.
> >>
> >> Hm, when looking at this mirror it is already hosting non-Apache
software:
> >>
> >> ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/
> >>
> >> Software from Apache and, e.g., OpenOffice.org is just a subset
> >> within
> > many
> >> other projects.
> >
> > Sorry, that isn't what I meant. The mirrors get their content from us
> > right, we can not provide them with non-asf released software to put
> > on their mirror copy of our dist tree [1] . They are of course welcome
> > to provide non-asf mirrors as most of them already do.
> >
> > [1] - http://apache.org/dist/
> >
> > Gav...
> 
> OK, let me try again. The mirrors can distribute what ever they want but
> within the Apache subdirs only ASF licensed software is allowed. Have a
got it
> right now?

Spot on.

And the only way non ASF licenses software will get into the Apache subdirs
is
if we put it there in the first place.

A project makes a release and puts the files of that release into a specific
area of
svn. That then syncs up with our main dist area, mirrors then sync up from
there.

IOW, the pre-existing mirror system for OOo needs to continue and be
referred to
in documentation and 'older releases' page so that folks can get pre-asf
released
versions of OOo from there. Only new releases from now onwards developed
here
at ASF will be put into our release/dist areas.

HTH

Gav...

> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>> Am 08/02/2011 04:38 PM, schrieb Donald Whytock:
> >>>>>>> A consideration...I for one have a need to be able to select
my
> >>>>>>> mirror.  My office's firewall blocks certain domains and
> >>>>>>> websites, especially those recognized as "hosting" or
"file-sharing"
> sites.
> >>>>>>> It does not, however, block .edu sites, so when I download
an
> >>>>>>> Apache product I select a university mirror.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Other users may have similar constraints.  If OOo's download
> >>>>>>> process is going to tie into Apache mirroring, please don't
> >>>>>>> completely eliminate the capacity to select the mirror.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Don


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