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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: An example of the license problems we're going to face
Date Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:15:06 GMT
Let me get this straight,

I store all of my OpenOffice.org materials, downloaded user guides and whatnot on an encrypted
hard drive, and that places me in violation of the CC-BY?

That's ridiculous.  

Since none of the materials we are talking about, made available under CC-BY, are considered
secret, why do we care that a secure system might include such materials in its storage. 
Those are black holes and we will not know nor ever care that they happen to have thrown digital
copies of OpenOffice.org User Guides in there along with all of the proprietary digital materials
for operation and support for those highly-secured systems (if they actually do comingle non-secret
materials that way).

There is no problem.  This is an ordinary situation.  The only problem is wanting such materials
contributed to the Apache OpenOffice.org project under ALv2 and being unwilling to tolerate
that some good material is not so available and will probably continue to not be so available
no matter what our desires are in the matter.  

When push comes to shove (and we are not anywhere close to that), we can work around the same
way we work around in order to IP sanitize the code base.  There's no reason to make this
an urgent situation and front-load an already-struggling podling.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: rabastus@gmail.com [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 09:53
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Suppose someone wants to take parts of
>> >> the AOOo code, along with the associated documentation, and create an
>> >> iPhone app from it.  The ALv2 would permit them to do this with the
>> >> source code, but CC-BY 3.0 would not allow the same for the
>> >> documentation.  Similarly, one could not take the documentation, add
>> >> value to with additional content, and then sell it for $0.99 for the
>> >> Amazon Kindle.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Please can you explain why you believe this to be so?
>> >
>>
>> "You may not impose any effective technological measures on the Work
>> that restrict the ability of a recipient of the Work from You to
>> exercise the rights granted to that recipient under the terms of the
>> License."
>>
>> IANAL, but that was the clause that got attention on legal-discuss
>> when reviewing CC-BY 3.0.
>>
>>
> Ah, so Kindle-specific. Thanks.
>

Not really.  That is the consumer side of it, certainly.   But the
application of "sealed storage' goes far beyond consumer applications.
 For high security applications, for example, you might want to
restrict access to applications and associated static data files.
Interestingly today there are reports of the Australian Department of
Defense doing a trial of OpenOffice.org  They would probably disagree
with any assertion that only book publishers have an interest in such
"technological measures".


> S.
>


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