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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Apache project community and external community
Date Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:06:25 GMT

That makes no sense.  We are here because of the Oracle SGA, not because we all got together
and said, hey gang, let's run over to Apache.  And some of us, such as myself, were not part
of the community in any meaningful way.

It is true we here are a self-selected bunch who are chasing a fait accompli, but we are not
the community by any means.

Our challenge is to embrace the broader community and be as hospitable to them as we can while
bringing the on-going software development under ASF and the Apache Way.

We are not talking about changing anything or arguing that it should have happened differently.
 There is no point to that.  But we should not oversimplify the state of affairs, especially
when it is a potential affront to those who had no say in the matter and who we want to see
continue as respected members of the broad community.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 04:16
To: Daniel Shahaf
Subject: Re: Apache project community and external community

On 31 August 2011 11:52, Daniel Shahaf <> wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:25:14 +0100:
>> Is it the way OOo used to work? No, but OOo has chosen to come to the
>> ASF now.
> Whose decision was it to move to the ASF?

The community that resides here. Lets not open that particular
argument again, it's done now and I tried to acknowledge those not
happy with the situation when I said:

Is it the only way? No, but fortunately our permissive licence means
other can do it their way whilst still benefiting from the reduced
cost of development.


Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)

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