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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [Proposal] Give the BHV publishing house in Kaarst/Germany the permission to use the trademark and logo
Date Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:40:22 GMT
Hi Peter,

For your lazy consensus, when is the expiration at which time you propose to act?

Also, because this is a matter involving legalities, I'm not sure lazy consensus works here.
 We need to check with the trademark-policy folks to understand what the ceremony is.  I suspect
that any permission must come from them, not one of us.  But they may want the recommendation
of the PPMC, which is what the lazy consensus would then be for.

It may be that the publisher does not require specific permission from us: See <>.
 But if they do, or if as a publisher they are wary of not having an explicit agreement, I
think it needs to come from an officer of ASF.

Since this is our first try at this, I have copied the trademarks@ address.

 - Dennis


Also, and this is probably not the right time for this (especially for 3.3),
we might want to come up with a request (or requirement?) that publishers include a link to
locations under our support where current information, updates, and support about
can be found.  (That would be separate from links the publisher might provide for updates
on their book and on the 10,000+ templates that are provided on the DVD.)

We also, now that I think about it, need to provide information in our distros and maybe for
use in print, about the availability of source code for a specific release and for information
on source code for other releases, including the latest.

[I think I will flag these two as notes-to-self for something we need to pay attention to.
 The specific source-code-availability requirement may not be so strict under ALv2 and Apache
practice, in contrast with the LGPL requirement.  It seems like a great thing to perpetuate,
regardless.  It is another reason to keep the domain name operating because
of linking from material in print as well as on-line.]

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Junge [] 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 09:33
Subject: [Proposal] Give the BHV publishing house in Kaarst/Germany the permission to use
the trademark and logo


I would like to propose --*seeking lazy consensus*-- that the BHV 
publishing GmbH, Novesiastrasse 60, D-41564 Kaarst (Germany) is 
permitted to use the logo and trademark for their book 
(in preparation) " 3.3 für Ein- und Umsteiger" [1] [2], 
means something like "OOo 3.3 for beginners and people who are 
migrating" in English. This package includes a handbook (printed and 
eBook) and a DVD with the OOo binaries. The OOo logo and trademark would 
be used on the book cover, within the book and on the label of the DVD. 
BHV has been publishing similar books for previous versions of OOo for 
many years, e.g. [3].

I would like to advocate granting the OOo logo usage to BHV, as such 
books foster the public visibility of OOo.

Mr. Ralf Kraft, representing BHV (nit subscribed to this ML) is on CC. 
(NOTE: The mock-up of the cover is still using the old OOo logo, but I 
already have been pointing out to Mr. Kraft that using the latest logo 
[4] would be preferred.)

Best regards,

[2] (including 
ISBN code)

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