Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A86C267DD for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 07:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14032 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jul 2011 07:41:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 13838 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jul 2011 07:41:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 13817 invoked by uid 99); 4 Jul 2011 07:41:47 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 07:41:47 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of netsroth@googlemail.com designates 209.85.161.48 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.161.48] (HELO mail-fx0-f48.google.com) (209.85.161.48) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 07:41:40 +0000 Received: by fxg7 with SMTP id 7so6594385fxg.7 for ; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:41:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-mailer :x-accept-language:x-location:user-agent; bh=mM9FnQ7svD2mZFtiyQW495o/Z3AE4ORpTE04vcHJ8Bc=; b=tptEnPn5vzZ+o9uqdYvHX/lGXnbbzl3yB9+FFHiGOLj2xb90t20bBdh5rZwCaOoT7i 74BMDYQaUXx5GoT9kgNC0IZhWVvHy1NmaQ5hoDOT6ADQzTNkBDigJmbur5vHBo54JjSO CZdvl0FYY5scJm+QBbNz/RYKFTakY7kjo5zuM= Received: by 10.223.77.92 with SMTP id f28mr5881016fak.37.1309765278704; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (188-192-40-224-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.40.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q14sm4336995faa.27.2011.07.04.00.41.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thorsten Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 09:32:22 +0200 From: Thorsten Behrens To: Ross Gardler Cc: stercor@gmail.com, ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: OOO and LibreOffice. Message-ID: <20110704073222.GE4755@thinkpad.thebehrens.net> References: <00c701cc36ec$5dab9750$1902c5f0$@acm.org> <010001cc3741$51c88740$f55995c0$@acm.org> <00d001cc380f$98fec4c0$cafc4e40$@acm.org> <1309664343.19050.3.camel@rigel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2hMgfIw2X+zgXrFs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-Accept-Language: en de X-Location: europe, germany, hamburg User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) --2hMgfIw2X+zgXrFs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ross Gardler wrote: > At present the only way I can see to start doing this is to a) drop > the ego on both "sides", this is a different world from the one in > which the fork was seen as necessary. There are still fundamental > licence differences, but I am sure that, for many, the licence is less > important than getting results. b) spending some time understanding > one another (for some that will mean rebuilding relationships) in > order to work towards your second suggestion... >=20 Hi Ross, hm, not sure I like your particular combination of a) and b) here - understanding the other side should start with admitting that indeed for a not insubstantial subset of LibreOffice hackers, the license indeed *is* important. ;) > I don't know OOo or LO well enough to know if there is scope for a > "common, well-defined cooperative objective." It would be great if > some people could spend some time considering this. It might well be > that there is little scope for true collaboration. However, during the > proposal phase there were a few people who wanted to explore this. >=20 To be frank - having two projects targetting the ~same {market, devs, QA, sponsors, code lines, ...} makes this extra-hard. It's like asking two boys in a dog fight to both voluntarily step back & shake hands - whereas in reality, it'll likely only stop after one side has "won" (for some values of "win" and "reality"). =46rom the earlier discussions, the idea to focus on basis libraries/functionality at Apache, and build applications on top of that had some appeal to me - also since it appeared to be much more in line with (most of) the other Apache projects. Cheers, -- Thorsten --2hMgfIw2X+zgXrFs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk4RbIYACgkQ0atnB9QI2h+LpgCgm6O73QhxznbzKlvqutVh14gx cUQAniD5v7yz35z1osN/M0qE6DJAYF6O =qDaJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2hMgfIw2X+zgXrFs--