Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 399BF4B68 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 57889 invoked by uid 500); 7 Jul 2011 16:21:10 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57820 invoked by uid 500); 7 Jul 2011 16:21:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57812 invoked by uid 99); 7 Jul 2011 16:21:09 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:21:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of simon@webmink.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.175] (HELO mail-wy0-f175.google.com) (74.125.82.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:21:00 +0000 Received: by wyg30 with SMTP id 30so887470wyg.6 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.229.1 with SMTP id g1mr873582weq.51.1310055640235; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (172.79.2.81.in-addr.arpa [81.2.79.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w62sm4874724wec.42.2011.07.07.09.20.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Future of OOo From: Simon Phipps In-Reply-To: <4E15DA76.5060305@gmx-topmail.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:20:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <12515AF5-4D5E-4575-9BE1-070D024341B8@webmink.com> References: <4E15CAD2.8030909@gmx-topmail.de> <57736678-4503-403E-B8DC-7A31706F79A6@webmink.com> <4E15DA76.5060305@gmx-topmail.de> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 7 Jul 2011, at 17:10, IngridvdM wrote: > Am 07.07.2011 17:26, schrieb Simon Phipps: >>=20 >> On 7 Jul 2011, at 16:03, IngridvdM wrote: >>=20 >>> Am 07.07.2011 12:56, schrieb Donald Harbison: >>> [...] >>>> The end of a corporate controlled project, and the beginning of two = new open >>>> source projects >>> [...] >>>=20 >>> I would like to change this part of the description. I think it = should be made absolute clear to the public that the split of the = community has happened before and completely independent from the = donation of OpenOffice.org to the Apache Software Foundation. The = creation of LibreOffice/TDF has happend already last year in 2010. >>=20 >> While I understand why you believe this, I think it's unhelpful = "framing" that's likely to perpetuate division. I prefer Don's approach, = which takes a higher-level view of what has happened. >>=20 >=20 > Not being precise on the historic facts here and creating or only = allowing the wrong impression that the Apache OpenOffice has caused the = split of the community will do harm to this project. It will also hinder = the healing process between the communities. So if you are interested in = the welfare of both communities and the healing between them, help to = handle this with more care. The original OpenOffice.org project is no more and that there are now = two projects taking the code forward. Seems easy enough to understand = and gives no scope for arguing about who is to blame for what. And uses = neither the word "split" or "fork" :-) S.