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From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
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Subject: RE: Undue Influence (was RE: Another introduction) - and TLA
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:31:42 -0700
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I made a general response on the PPMC question, because I'd like the 13 =
to know that we know who they are and it is time they knew who they are =
too!

TLA is an in-joke.  It stands for Three Letter Acronym.  It is a TLA of =
course.  There was a time when TLAs were quite common in computing.  I =
remember the assembly-language op-codes for the IBM 650 were all TLAs =
(oh, and there's another one, hint, hint).  I think for the IBM 704 too.

 - Dennis

OK guys, we have now reached an older age where the newbies have never =
heard of a TLA. I've been future-shocked.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wolf Halton [mailto:wolf.halton@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 21:32
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
Subject: Re: Undue Influence (was RE: Another introduction)

Dennis,

I am a commiter but I still don't have my user/pass for svn or the GUI
editing option, so I am one of the 13.  I am apparently not aware of how =
to
signal my interest in being on the PPMC.  What is a TLA?  Why is it bad =
to
have it?

Wolf Halton

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton =
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> wrote:

> For the record, as of yesterday, July 3, there are 50 committers on =
the
> Apache OpenOffice.org project.  34 of those are non-mentor members of =
the
> PPMC.  Another 13 committers apparently don't know that they are =
invited to
> be on the PPMC and the simple step required to activate that =
membership.
>  (One eligible committer has declined to serve on the PPMC.  That's a =
free
> choice.)
>
> You can find all of the current committers on the list here:
> <http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo>
>
> As far as I can tell, among the current committers, there are only =
four
> individuals with a TLA in their company name.  It is a big company, =
and I
> don't know all of them.
>
> We have further potential for committers and PPMC members among the 26
> listed as Initial Committers who are yet to submit an iCLA.  Some may =
also
> be affiliated with TLA Corporation, though I don't spot any.
>
> There are also those ooo-dev contributors who will, as the strength of
> their contribution becomes evident, are invited to become committers =
and/or
> serve on the PPMC.  Some of those may well be affiliated with TLA
> Corporation.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rabastus@gmail.com [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob =
Weir
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 19:37
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Another introduction
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Graham Lauder <yorick_@openoffice.org>
> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > There was no error in the question, decisions made at IBM, whether
> > policy on OSS, Developer time allowance, code release to the core, =
work
> > on elements that are only useful in Symphony.... these are corporate
> > decisions that can affect the project.
> >
>
> Actually, none of this can affect the project unless the project
> accepts the work we do.  We have a PPMC of what?  50?  60? 70 members?
>  And how many IBM employees on it?  Maybe 6?  7? 8?  All we can do is
> offer contributions.  Remember, even a project Committer does not have
> absolute ability to make changes at whim.  Changes are reviewed and
> can be rejected by other Committers.
>
> If you are saying that IBM engineers collectively have the ability to
> make contributions that could be accepted by the project and by being
> accepted would affect the project, then I thank you for the
> compliment.  But I don't see a problem here.  Honestly, we're getting
> pretty equal criticism from people suggesting we're not going to
> contribute enough as there are people concerned that we're going to
> contribute too much.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>


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