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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: (was Re: Ooo blog)
Date Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:59 GMT
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:34 AM, David McKay <> wrote:
> On 09/07/11 13:24, Peter Junge wrote:
>> On 09.07.2011 20:02, David McKay wrote:
>>> My preference has nothing to do with blogs, it is purely a naming and
>>> branding issue. Formally, was always written as
>>> by those who knew, but colloquially/informally it was
>>> always talked about as OpenOffice. I agree we need to maintain ties with
>>> the legacy and history of, but the removal of the .org
>>> isn't going to jeopardise that.
>> This was always a trademark issue, just two quick examples:
>> Siemens has a trademarked product called HiPath OpenOffice [1], there's
>> also a IT service provider in the Netherlands who has registered Open Office
>> [2] and AFAIK there are many more to consider in other countries. We had
>> exactly the same discussion a million times, which came always to the
>> conclusion we *must* use Please spare us the one million and
>> first deja vu.
> Point taken. But  at the same time, being new here, this is my first, not my
> million and first :)
>> Over the year we got used to it. The community that has landed on Apache's
>> shores is the community.
> Understood.
>> As to the differentiation of and Apache, I
>> would propose to use the latter for the project and the community now, but
>> keeping the former for the branding of the product.
> I can't help wondering though if HiPath OpenOffice is not a problem for
> Siemens (and presumably other trademark holders)
> why Apache openOffice would be/cause a problem for us.

I think that's exactly the right point.  If adding ".org" to the end
of the name allows us to be clear of the other trademarks, then
wouldn't adding "Apache" to the beginning do the same?

This was not an option that was really open to the community before,
since OpenOffice was not associated with a larger open source


> But no one needs answer that - I'm done.
>> Best regards,
>> Peter
>> [1]
>> [2]
>>> Dave.
>>> On 09/07/11 12:55, Javier Sola wrote:
>>>> Why does the name need to be changed? Is there any value in adding
>>>> "Apache" to the name?
>>>> I really think that the name is one of the most important assets of
>>>> the project at this time.
>>>> We have spent quite a lot of effort in the last few years promoting
>>>> the OpenOffice (or OpenOffice,org) name, to the point that it is part
>>>> of the approved IT policies of some countries.
>>>> I have worked to get OpenOffice into the textbooks of two countries...
>>>> and it would be a pain to explain to them now that Apache OpenOffice
>>>> or Apache Office will be installed instead, even if it is the same
>>>> thing... It was exactly the same problem as changing to LibreOffice,
>>>> the name is a key reason not to change.
>>>> If there is a technical problem with blogs... then it should be solved
>>>> technically, not by changing the name of the product.
>>>> Javier
>>>> Pavel Janík wrote:
>>>>>> Why? Out of the folk on the OOo forum who expressed an opinion to
>>>>>> me, no one liked it. It was a perpetual reminder that the product
>>>>>> couldn't be called what they really wanted it to be called:
>>>>>> OpenOffice. I greatly prefer Apache OpenOffice to Apache
>>>>> The product and the project WAS If we want to change
>>>>> it, then why not directly Apache Office?

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