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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains
Date Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:35:44 GMT
On 18 July 2011 16:22, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
> Just to be clear: The time in proposal was 10 days, from June 1 to June 10.  "Weeks"
is a stretch.

Really? Wow it felt much longer ;-) Thanks for the correction.

> We should acknowledge that objection even though the PPMC is expected to be unswerving
in its adherence to policies.

Agreed. It's not that I think the objections are groundless, but a
line needs to be drawn somewhere.

> So, are we to make it clear that this is how the Apache Podling bootstrap game is played
and there is no point in arguing with the umpire about what the rules of play are?

The "umpire" here is the PPMC right? As a mentor I am not trying to
tell you where to draw the line, I am merely saying that it looks to
me like the majority of the PPMC feel the line was drawn when the vote
was called, if I am mistaken then please don't read my mails as ASF
policy, the PPMC gets to set where the line is drawn.

As a mentor I hope that the PPMC is also agreed that the barrier to
entry for new committers (from OOo days or not) is relatively low and
that the project community works hard to reach out to those who are
upset that they missed the call. Help them become involved here at
Apache, make them welcome, apply their documentation and code patches
quickly, recognise their work to get the Apache OOo message out there.
In general make sure everyone is welcome whether they have the
"committer" title or not.


>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler []
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 03:37
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains
> On 17 July 2011 20:26, Kay Schenk <> wrote:
>> On 07/13/2011 06:37 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> ...
>>> Contributions elsewhere do not count. It is contributions here that
>>> matter. There was plenty of time during proposal time for past
>>> contributors to step up. They did not. Now this is an ASF project
>>> everyone needs to earn merit in the ASF project not in what went
>>> before.
>> One comment on this. I believe MANY past
>> contributors/committers were not even aware of the "proposal time". So, this
>> remark is a bit troubling to me. Really, it is only since well about June
>> 20th that more details of the move to Apache had emerged.
> It's reasonable to assume that anyone active in the OOo project should
> have been monitoring OOo lists and discussions. It's not like there
> wasn't a whole media storm about the proposal. If someone did not turn
> up during the proposal phase, read the proposal and see the invite to
> add themselves then it is reasonable to assume that they may no longer
> be significantly active. The process took weeks.
> [ ... ]

Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)

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