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From "Marcus (OOo)" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] <Initial Committer>: Apache Initial Committer Status
Date Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:49:48 GMT
Am 07/23/2011 06:51 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher:
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:29 AM, IngridvdM wrote:
>> Please find my comments inline.
>> Am 23.07.2011 14:45, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>> I think Christian is right. It's about to close the gate for being a
>>> *initial* committer. Not the *normal* committer status.
>> I don't have gotten that wrong. I was talking about the initial committers too.
>>> And for this we have to define a deadline. My suggestion is still end of
>>> July or latestly end of August.
>> No given reason has convinced me of the necessity of a deadline here.
> While there is ample reason to have a generous deadline, I haven't heard a good reason
not to have a deadline.
>>> When you have entered your name on the list on the beginning and haven't
>>> answered back until today (even not to say "sorry, I need a bit more
>>> time"), then IMHO it's time for a deadline.
> Maybe if we were able to understand why some of these individuals have delayed it would

I know what you mean but when they haven't shown up here until today, 
IMHO they also won't answer to tell us why not. ;-)


>>> Am 07/23/2011 01:29 PM, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
>>>> Hi Ingrid, *,
>>>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM, IngridvdM<>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I disagree with you in the opinion that the door needs to be closed
>>>>> some day
>>>>> and that people need to be sorted out. This can easily be felt to be
>>>>> very
>>>>> alienating, without any positive effect.
>>>> I strongly disagree here. The door is not closed as written many times
>>>> already.
>>>>> Lets choose the example that an initial commiter signs up the iCLA
>>>>> only next
>>>>> year. The reasons are pointless.
>>>> No, not at all, you cannot be an *INITIAL* committer if you're not
>>>> part of it from the very beginning.
>>>>> The ones that have signed the iCLA can simply fully work already. Those
>>>>> who have not signed the iCLA can contribute via mail and the user wiki.
>>>> Yes. But not as *initial* committers.
>>>>> So lets not waste our time with processes to prevent something that
>>>>> is of no
>>>>> harm.
>>>> It is doing harm. Having "fake" committers/supporters that only exist
>>>> on paper is doing big harm (in perception, reputation of the whole
>>>> project).
>> There can be a difference in number between initial committers and 'completed' committers
in both cases. Whether we put a deadline on this or not does not change that.
>> And I think it is not ok to call those who have not completed the legal paper work
yet to be 'fake' committers.
>> Kind regards,
>> Ingrid
>>>> ciao
>>>> Christian

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