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From Peter Junge <>
Subject Re: (was Re: Ooo blog)
Date Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:08 GMT
On 09.07.2011 20:34, David McKay wrote:
> On 09/07/11 13:24, Peter Junge wrote:
>> On 09.07.2011 20:02, David McKay wrote:
>>> My preference has nothing to do with blogs, it is purely a naming and
>>> branding issue. Formally, was always written as
>>> by those who knew, but colloquially/informally it was
>>> always talked about as OpenOffice. I agree we need to maintain ties with
>>> the legacy and history of, but the removal of the .org
>>> isn't going to jeopardise that.
>> This was always a trademark issue, just two quick examples:
>> Siemens has a trademarked product called HiPath OpenOffice [1],
>> there's also a IT service provider in the Netherlands who has
>> registered Open Office [2] and AFAIK there are many more to consider
>> in other countries. We had exactly the same discussion a million
>> times, which came always to the conclusion we *must* use
>> Please spare us the one million and first deja vu.
> Point taken. But at the same time, being new here, this is my first, not
> my million and first :)

David, that's exactly the deja vu. ;-) There was always someone who was 
discussing this issue for the first time while others experience it 
n(->∞)+1 times. :-)

>> Over the year we got used to it. The community that has landed on
>> Apache's shores is the community.
> Understood.
>> As to the differentiation of and Apache,
>> I would propose to use the latter for the project and the community
>> now, but keeping the former for the branding of the product.
> I can't help wondering though if HiPath OpenOffice is not a problem for
> Siemens (and presumably other trademark holders)
> why Apache openOffice would be/cause a problem for us.

That's something a lawyer should answer.

> But no one needs answer that - I'm done.



>> Best regards,
>> Peter
>> [1]
>> [2]
>>> Dave.
>>> On 09/07/11 12:55, Javier Sola wrote:
>>>> Why does the name need to be changed? Is there any value in adding
>>>> "Apache" to the name?
>>>> I really think that the name is one of the most important assets of
>>>> the project at this time.
>>>> We have spent quite a lot of effort in the last few years promoting
>>>> the OpenOffice (or OpenOffice,org) name, to the point that it is part
>>>> of the approved IT policies of some countries.
>>>> I have worked to get OpenOffice into the textbooks of two countries...
>>>> and it would be a pain to explain to them now that Apache OpenOffice
>>>> or Apache Office will be installed instead, even if it is the same
>>>> thing... It was exactly the same problem as changing to LibreOffice,
>>>> the name is a key reason not to change.
>>>> If there is a technical problem with blogs... then it should be solved
>>>> technically, not by changing the name of the product.
>>>> Javier
>>>> Pavel Janík wrote:
>>>>>> Why? Out of the folk on the OOo forum who expressed an opinion to
>>>>>> me, no one liked it. It was a perpetual reminder that the product
>>>>>> couldn't be called what they really wanted it to be called:
>>>>>> OpenOffice. I greatly prefer Apache OpenOffice to Apache
>>>>> The product and the project WAS If we want to change
>>>>> it, then why not directly Apache Office?

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