Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 453534EF1 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 75674 invoked by uid 500); 27 Jun 2011 19:05:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 75625 invoked by uid 500); 27 Jun 2011 19:05:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 75617 invoked by uid 99); 27 Jun 2011 19:05:44 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:05:44 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of acolorado@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.175] (HELO mail-wy0-f175.google.com) (74.125.82.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:05:37 +0000 Received: by wyg30 with SMTP id 30so1514227wyg.6 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zbHFaLsZfRcB2+MpGIXF/jW+Sov+pACvSYsFZccCJX0=; b=qfRsMVhKbcKM/9fx3isDCpdP+eFHYwYX4O8tFttyGrwhVhBKPUoG5BEVs/j0UPd/If Hq4Np4jk/i/cbnEWkwYy3h/UCVk4rsXkb4uXUhghXcOUpSaWEfNMAoYF9xyxn3s7L+Cp AsD+4iENTUHIl5/FVH8PNIJ2grEiui9ktyULk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=B5G8UF7bWPaaEFMnXAngzS47ovwLUjNHxOo35wh2rspn3oHH8B0VgzmkGkc82TZ3mU 3a8zm2NF4YeobUcYAQxdzX0vfAmMOwLudUCqkQHXlV/fDYFdahe+zvYyxMPWux/2ILDX rFKGWxj9FSw5mqGSWw73KQ9ieEvXXjI6fsd2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.63.15 with SMTP id z15mr2755986wec.7.1309201517038; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: acolorado@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.165.140 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:05:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4E0897F8.6000402@gmail.com> <4E089E95.60106@gmail.com> <4AE3EAEA-11A9-4C85-9232-2F96E25D128F@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:05:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XoshBjD7jO2CRx8DA1IA_JPx8nM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration From: Alexandro Colorado To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce005be5ccc2b04a6b63b81 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --000e0ce005be5ccc2b04a6b63b81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Alexandro Colorado wro= te: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Dave Fisher wrote= : > >> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we mov= e >> >>>>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For servic= es >> >>>>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to >> Oracle's >> >>>>>>> server, by IP address. As additional services are migrated to >> >> Apache, >> >>>>>>> we remove redirects. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the >> Apache >> >>>>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is >> "up" >> >> on >> >>>>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is >> available >> >>>>>> via >> >>>>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VE= RY >> >>>>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where. >> >>>>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a >> >>>>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in >> >> order. >> >>>>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a >> >> reasonable >> >>>>>> schedule. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect >> business. >> >>>>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is >> >>>>>> everything. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights = on >> >> parts >> >>>>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only >> >>>>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not >> doing >> >>>>>> much >> >>>>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated >> on >> >> the >> >>>>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really >> have >> >> NO >> >>>>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at t= he >> >>>>>> moment. >> >>>>>> This would be interesting to find out. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also >> wonder >> >>>>> what >> >>>>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? >> Who >> >>>>> choosed that template? >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a >> >> template. >> >>>> ???? >> >>>> >> >>>> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it >> handles >> >>>> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before >> the >> >>>> move. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good >> >>>> >> >>>>> idea to simply change it as please. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see: >> >>>> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl >> >>>> >> >>>> You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o privat= e >> >> key. >> >>>> >> >>>> If you have your own OO.o ID and login, you should be able to see >> what >> >>>> projects you are a member of and what rights you have to them. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the directio= n >> of >> >>>>> that >> >>>>> site. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Well...it's my understanding that eventually it will cease to exist= , >> at >> >>>> some point yet to be determined. Thus, we need to put whatever effo= rt >> we >> >> can >> >>>> into this new Apache endeavor. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sorry Kay, I know the Kenai layout, I was asking about Apache-OOo ne= w >> >> site: >> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ >> >>> >> >>> I think this one is set up here: >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/ >> >>> >> >>> It seems to have some perl(?) scripts: >> >>> >> >> >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/lib/view.pm?revisi= on=3D1137122&view=3Dmarkup >> >>> >> >>> Not sure if its using a framework or just random perl scripts holdin= g >> >> things >> >>> somewhat automated. From what I see there are some Templates setup: >> >>> >> >> >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/templates/skeleton= .html?revision=3D1137122&view=3Dmarkup >> >> >> >> That is the template. The css is here: >> >> incubator/ooo/site/trunk/content/openofficeorg/css/ooo.css >> >> >> > >> > What about the rest of the questions: >> > - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)? >> >> This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think that there a= re >> plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic server, but I th= ink >> that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion about user support ideas= and >> your response has me thinking Open Social. >> >> > - What is the direction of this site? >> >> I think we build it and move it around. My thought is that we build the >> new Apache OpenOffice replacement for openoffice.org at >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/www/ with the mdtext at >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/www/ >> >> I think that the initial OpenOffice landing page is pretty nicely done. >> >> > - Who decided on this template? >> >> It was copied from another podling. Feel free to make adjustments under >> lazy consensus. >> >> I did find the following: >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/cms/conversion-utilities/cwi= ki/README.txt >> >> So, we can develop content on OOODEV and then convert it to markdown. Th= is >> would be good to know and test. >> > > Should we just import the original OOo Theme? > > I am aware the difference CSS changes that would need to be made but this > was done for MediaWiki and Drupal already. So I dont see any reason why t= he > Apache cms (OOo@Apache) wouldnt. > These are the basic structures of the website (Stylesheet, Images and JS) html template was handled somewhere else: http://asset-1.openoffice.org/branding/kenai/ > > > >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> >>> On Kenai, it did had the tigris template, which we drag from >> Collabnet, >> >> and >> >>> the CSS had some major change to it spreading it across 6 different >> >>> stylesheets (before it was only one). And there were of course a >> template >> >>> use on most of the projects. BizDev and Education tried a tableless >> CSS >> >>> which never made it to production. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 2) Do it in the opposite direction: DNS goes to Oracle's server= s >> and >> >>>>>>> they redirect to Apache for services that we've migrated. As >> >> services >> >>>>>>> are migrated we ask Oracle to add additional requests. When >> >>>>>>> everything is migrated then we switch over the DNS. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> This seems like a better idea with less redirection for the time >> >> being. >> >>>>>> However, this puts control in Oracle's court which may not be >> >> desirable. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> #1 seems a lot cleaner to me, and requires less coordination with >> >>>>>>> Oracle. We control the DNS, redirects and generally set the pac= e >> of >> >>>>>>> migration. But are there protocols beyond http/https that we ne= ed >> to >> >>>>>>> worry about? For example, any ftp, smtp, nntp, etc. that would >> >>>>>>> complicate things? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If we can agree on the general approach I don't see why we >> couldn't >> >>>>>>> start some migration this week. Bugzilla, for example, seems to >> be a >> >>>>>>> straightforward. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Well this particular area seems OK. :) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Really I will do some work via the wiki this week to augment the >> list >> >> on >> >>>>>> the wiki from my perspective on what needs to be done. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -Rob >> > --=20 *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Espa=C3=B1ol http://es.openoffice.org --000e0ce005be5ccc2b04a6b63b81--