Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D11816E3D for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 95491 invoked by uid 500); 22 Jun 2011 10:21:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 95451 invoked by uid 500); 22 Jun 2011 10:21:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 95443 invoked by uid 99); 22 Jun 2011 10:21:56 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:21:56 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of fpe.mlists@googlemail.com designates 209.85.161.65 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.161.65] (HELO mail-fx0-f65.google.com) (209.85.161.65) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:21:49 +0000 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so100823fxm.0 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+S3h2PckM0PasjPQpNqn6ZDBZ19HjPxpZEWXdoCjVRI=; b=FIjmxc+f4slgK5WvRvUkwfmjLL2/2Jlck31hhCngl9jcnVN749zaH17o0CfK/hbpv0 VTC09nRd8qeRTca2hoNkCgiIIgh0JPcWh7Nt0Wfo/AHO0Lb/YIXkdxWtfeN2+BenSPcB tvP5wYpWHC4xUwLEFwNDUSuDl8qHZhBNu5URA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mrmn8YvUpY0R1UvLVtMeu5rxcW02om5UPyUDSUp1N25ACVC5u/9W/HfvRM5uaO9+C/ pgAwmENGU0d52f3Ck6qva29yQnV9yv2q2iV0hTMTnPz56ODgqJQNtTzdgL7vYWv1RFeM EBwA3RbAN2e9kWlNOKRpTR1r6KzS5MD455lxY= Received: by 10.223.159.197 with SMTP id k5mr649633fax.50.1308738089021; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (g229130245.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.130.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm228652fak.41.2011.06.22.03.21.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E01C210.6050004@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:21:04 +0200 From: Frank Peters Reply-To: frank.thomas.peters@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 OracleBeehiveExtension/1.0.0.0-Champion Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Consequences of Working in Office Documents Here References: <01f401cc3082$ecef01b0$c6cd0510$@acm.org> <20110622035818.GA25480@daniel3.local> <024d01cc30a2$90ad6660$b2083320$@acm.org> <4E01B5A1.4050505@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org >>> don't know where the answer is, other than "learn text". I hope that >>> with examining what our true outputs are, we can focus on those, and >>> find a path that works for the community. >> >> >> What does that mean? What is a "true output" and how do "we" >> differ from "the community"? > > Euh... just what I said: what are we producing? I tried to list some Well I guess I had difficulties understanding why you would talk about "true" output (vs what? perceived outputs?) > concrete outputs. And "we" certainly means community. Not sure why you would > think I define "we" any other way?? That was probably another misunderstanding from your wording. My bad. Thanks for the clarification Frank