Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85F67632D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26148 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2011 13:59:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 26102 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2011 13:59:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 26094 invoked by uid 99); 16 Jun 2011 13:59:25 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:59:25 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [163.1.2.161] (HELO relay2.mail.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.2.161) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:59:18 +0000 Received: from smtp2.mail.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.205]) by relay2.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QXD60-0002jD-8Z for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:58:56 +0100 Received: from dhcp29.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.103.29]) by smtp2.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXD60-00011f-8K for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:58:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4DFA0C48.1020502@apache.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:59:36 +0100 From: Ross Gardler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Teams and Leads References: <4DF9BCA5.6040609@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> <4DF9D086.5050302@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> <4DF9DF24.5070603@gmx-topmail.de> <4DF9FD3D.9060002@apache.org> <4DFA04D8.3000705@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> In-Reply-To: <4DFA04D8.3000705@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Oxford-Username: oucs0040 On 16/06/2011 14:27, RA Stehmann wrote: > I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). So you want to reinvent the Apache wheel instead? For all 170+ projects? I do agree the task is to make the OO.o model fit within the ASF model, but that will involve some changes. The good news is that in the vast majority of changes it will make running the OO.o project easier. The ASF is designed to let project contributors get on with contributing. We have existing infrastructure for handling the generic stuff (press, trademarks, legal etc.) The OO.o project would be best using it. > The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working > infrastructure of leads, contact persons, native lang communities, > teams, mailing lists, websites etc.. As explained elsewhere in the thread it is only the language that seems to be a problem. ASF does not have "leaders", it does have people who lead by doing. We're told that that's how the OO.o project works too - no problem There is only one contact point. The "contact persons" should do their business through that contact point. This allows others to step in and help should the "contact person" be busy - no problem. Native lang communities can be created as and when they are needed. However, all development must be done here, on this list. There needs to be people connecting native language communities to this list to make sure their needs are heard here, in the common language of the project. These communities should be created when there is a demonstratable need (that's up to the project contributors to judge) mailing lists, websites etc. will be moved, as needed, to ASF infrastructure as and when needed - this is already underway. > IMO we should make an inventory, keep the usefull elements and drop the > dated. And let persons, who undertake the task of doing something and > who are elected by the OpenOffice.org community, doing their job forward. +1 Ross