Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFF8067DB for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42695 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2011 20:30:52 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 42657 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2011 20:30:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 42649 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jun 2011 20:30:52 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:30:52 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [82.71.204.226] (HELO cpanelsmarthost2.zen.co.uk) (82.71.204.226) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:30:43 +0000 Received: from [82.71.204.9] (helo=zencphosting06.zen.co.uk) by cpanelsmarthost2.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWaFj-0003Iq-2j for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:30:23 +0000 Received: from 5e0ce5c5.bb.sky.com ([94.12.229.197] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by zencphosting06.zen.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWaFi-0004NN-TG for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:30:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4DF7C4DC.5060406@apache.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:30:20 +0100 From: Ross Gardler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Subversion & Git (was: Proposed short term goals) References: <4DF77E0A.9030006@gmx.net> <4DF78D74.1070306@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zencphosting06.zen.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apache.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 14/06/2011 18:18, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >>> My main reason for being here is to have "a foot in both camps" and make >>> sure that there's someone to bring in TDF people whenever there's scope >> to >>> collaborate and draw the overall OOo community together. >> >> I'll simply note that those people with a "foot" here are those that >> are actually doing the work. >> > > Respectfully, that's an unhelpful statement. I agree. Simon is trying to help us build bridges to the TDF. Inevitably this is going to be clumsy to start with and it will often seem that we, the ASF are being asked to compromise in ways we find impossible or unacceptable. However, we should recognise that part of "doing the work" at this stage is trying to build those bridges. Lets give Simon the benefit of the doubt for now, lets assume Simon will back down on suggestions that don't fit well for good reasons (like this one I'm afraid Simon). We shouldn't attack him whenever he tries to be constructive. Ross