From ooo-dev-return-154-apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jun 14 22:36:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 50E676CE7 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 91225 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2011 22:36:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91176 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2011 22:36:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91168 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jun 2011 22:36:03 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:03 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of dave2wave@comcast.net designates 76.96.62.40 as permitted sender) Received: from [76.96.62.40] (HELO qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.40) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:54 +0000 Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vyW81g0010SCNGk54ybaUG; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.9] ([67.180.51.144]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vybW1g00W36gVt73VybZdK; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:33 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Wiki for the project From: Dave Fisher In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:35:29 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D6EB66F-37A0-4A17-BF66-7CCB4D2F4FB9@comcast.net> References: <4DF6C223.9080508@gmx.ch> <4DF75A21.8080001@gmail.com> <00a701cc2aac$de6c9020$9b45b060$@acm.org> <4DF796FB.8060208@gmail.com> <00f001cc2ab8$6feffe50$4fcffaf0$@acm.org> <4DF79EE9.70907@gmail.com> <014201cc2aca$cf1fa620$6d5ef260$@acm.org> <4DF7BF03.6000804@gmail.com> <4DF7D0D0.1000700@gmail.com> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Jun 14, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Note the requirements here under "Using a wiki to Create = Documentation". It > looks like we need to restrict write access to that wiki to those who = have > returned iCLA's to Apache. >=20 > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html >=20 > I wonder if this becomes easier if we segregate the documentation onto = its > own wiki? Yes. See = https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CWIKI/Index#Index-Butwhatifwew= ouldlikethecommunityatlargetohelpmaintainthespace%3F I suggested ooo-dev and ooo-user as different spaces because=20 (1) The list of who edits and who comments can differ. (2) It is not known what Wiki our user facing community will really want = to use while ooo-dev wants a wiki now. Regards, Dave >=20 > -Rob >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Dave Fisher = wrote: >=20 >>>> If we want to have different groups of users with update rights we >>>> should definitely have two wikis. >>>>=20 >>>> See https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ for the instructions regarding >>>> confluence. >>>>=20 >>>> We could start with the following confluence wiki spaces: >>>>=20 >>>> (1) ooo-dev - for developer facing documentation. >>>>=20 >>>> (2) ooo-user - for a prospective user wiki. We can debate whether >>>> confluence, MediaWiki, moinmoin or ? are best by experimenting with >>>> various approaches. >>>=20 >>> I don't understand, you just said you would start to create a >>> Confluence ooo-user space to debate whether to use a different >>> engine? >>>=20 >>> There is probably overlap between (1) and (2) so it needs to >>> be clearly defined what goes where. With (1) you are probably >>> referring to core development (coding OOo), but there is also >>> extension development (using UNO to develop extra functionality) >>> or office automation that probably are better placed in (2) (for >>> the developer-user). >>=20 >> For (1) you understand me correctly. This is the space we need now to = start >> doing all the planning and development blueprints. >>=20 >> For (2) I mean a possible way to handle the package user and/or = developer >> user documentation that will be migrated from the wiki at = openoffice.org. >>=20 >> BTW - It should not be hard to move content between two confluence = spaces >> if it is put in the wrong location. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> If we plan to reuse existing wiki content for docs, it would be >>> easiest to continue to use MediaWiki (if this is an option) >>> since this is where all content currently is. A lot of the >>> content in the docs section uses MW features like >>> subpages, auto page lists, templates/transclusions etc that >>> may be cumbersome to migrate. >>=20 >> To use MediaWiki someone will need to contribute at = infrastructure-dev. >> Otherwise it is moinmoin or confluence. I don't care so much, but = confluence >> is well supported here at Apache so it is an easy choice. >>=20 >> For (3) the options are greater and we can change. >>=20 >> I know we need (1) and it is not much harder to do (2) and (3) >> prospectively and let the rest of the PPMC decide. >>=20 >> Here is the jira issue: (INFRA-3684) Create 3 CWiki Spaces for = OpenOffice >>=20 >> Regards, >> Dave >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Frank >>=20 >>=20