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From Rob Weir <apa...@robweir.com>
Subject Re: OpenOffice project interest in South Africa?
Date Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:03:24 GMT
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Let me alleviate your concerns with two proposals:
>
> 1) invite so-and-so to join the now-already-existing community
> as a new participant, without any special initial privileges,
> but being mindful of past efforts in the community as their
> participation level increases.
>
> 2) invite so-and-so to join the fledgling community as a committer/PPMC
> member, without first demonstrating any particular work towards the
> project's brand new goals.
>
> I shouldn't have to tell you which of those 2 I'd rather see at
> this point, and yes it's an either-or question, not a let's do
> both one.
>

We're in agreement here.

-Rob

>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Rob Weir <apache@robweir.com>
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 7:26:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: OpenOffice project interest in South Africa?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> > Less democracy, more meritocracy at this point please.  It's  now
>> > almost 1 month since the proposal hit general@incubator, and  as
>> > Danese suggested, it's time to let go of the idea that  getting
>> > diverse representation from key geographical locations is  going
>> > to lead to a more productive working group at the  ASF.
>> >
>>
>> Joe, there is nothing that says we cannot value  both.
>>
>> How long since the *proposal* was submitted to the general list  is
>> irrelevant.  The actual project has been here for two  weeks.
>>
>> >
>> > There is a lot to do here, and all I see is very  sketchy starts
>> > at getting any of it done.  If leaders are to be born  here we need
>> > them to step up and start tackling this massive set of  problems
>> > a little bit at a time.
>> >
>>
>> True, and we are making  progress.  This is occurring on many other
>> threads.  But this is  irrelevant to the question I was asking.
>> Remember, we need to think ahead a  few steps.  For every person
>> writing core code, we will need multiple  people testing, documenting,
>> translating, porting, supporting, and yes, using  the product.  These
>> are all part of the Apache OpenOffice  project.
>>
>> As we move forward with the core coding tasks, I feel no reason  to
>> apologize for continuing the community development.  In fact I  hope
>> this project never ever reaches the point where it believes  that
>> reaching out for more members is a bad thing, and that  additional
>> offers of help is anything but a blessing.
>>
>> > I'm not  saying not to go out and invite more people to the project.
>> > I am saying  be careful how you do it because the community is watching
>> > for  favoritism or any other unfair methods of advancement.
>>
>> Could you explain  *your* concern with regards to "favoritism" or
>> "unfair methods of  advancement"?  Vague insinuations, hiding behind
>> "the community is  watching" does not sit well with me.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >  ----- Original Message ----
>> >> From: Donald Harbison <dpharbison@gmail.com>
>> >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >>  Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 6:58:35 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: OpenOffice project  interest in South Africa?
>> >>
>> >> Let's ask Aslam Raffee. He  used to be on the OASIS ODF Adoption TC.
>> >>
>> >> On  Jun 29,  2011 5:58 PM, "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
 wrote:
>> >> >  Am 06/29/2011 11:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>> >>  >> Just noticed that we had  project members from North America,
 South
>> >> >> America, Europe, Asia and  Australia. So 5 of 7  continents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have doubts that  we'll  get anyone from Antarctica.
>> >> >
>> >> > Come on, don't  exclude them  before they had a chance to spoke up
via
>> >> > their  connection by bell wire.  :-P
>> >> >
>> >> >> But I  thought there was strong interest in OpenOffice in  South
Africa,
>> >>  >> especially with their many official languages. Does  anyone
have  any
>> >> >> contacts there? We should reach out and make sure  that  they
are
>> >> >> included in our community.
>> >>  >
>> >> > The offical  contact for en-ZA is "Dwayne Bailey". At  least he is
still
>> >> > listed  here:
>> >> >
>> >>  >  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
>> >>  >
>> >> > Furthermore,  we had contact to Friedel Wolff from "translate.org.za"
> who
>> >> > has helped us  to setup a new pootle server for our  "Continuous
L10N
>> >> > Integration"  project:
>> >>  >
>> >> >   http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NewPootleServer
>> >>  >
>> >> > Maybe  it's worth to restart the contacts.
>> >>  >
>> >> > Marcus
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

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