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From Alexandro Colorado <...@openoffice.org>
Subject Re: Top level question on website migration
Date Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:58:49 GMT
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we
move
> >>>>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now.  For
services
> >>>>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back
to
> Oracle's
> >>>>>>> server, by IP address.  As additional services are migrated
to
> >> Apache,
> >>>>>>> we remove redirects.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the
Apache
> >>>>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What
is
> "up"
> >> on
> >>>>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is
> available
> >>>>>> via
> >>>>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make
a VERY
> >>>>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where.
> >>>>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think
a
> >>>>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might
be in
> >> order.
> >>>>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating
a
> >> reasonable
> >>>>>> schedule.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business.
> >>>>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing
is
> >>>>>> everything.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights
on
> >> parts
> >>>>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if
only
> >>>>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm
not
> doing
> >>>>>> much
> >>>>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated
on
> >> the
> >>>>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really
> have
> >> NO
> >>>>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server
at the
> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>>>> This would be interesting to find out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also
> wonder
> >>>>> what
> >>>>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI?
Who
> >>>>> choosed that template?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a
> >> template.
> >>>> ????
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it
> handles
> >>>> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before
> the
> >>>> move.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good
> >>>>
> >>>>> idea to simply change it as please.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see:
> >>>> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl
> >>>>
> >>>> You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o private
> >> key.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have your own OO.o ID and login, you should be able to see what
> >>>> projects you are a member of and what rights you have to them.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the direction
> of
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Well...it's my understanding that eventually it will cease to exist,
> at
> >>>> some point yet to be determined. Thus, we need to put whatever effort
> we
> >> can
> >>>> into this new Apache endeavor.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry Kay, I know the Kenai layout, I was asking about Apache-OOo new
> >> site:
> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
> >>>
> >>> I think this one is set up here:
> >>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/
> >>>
> >>> It seems to have some perl(?) scripts:
> >>>
> >>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/lib/view.pm?revision=1137122&view=markup
> >>>
> >>> Not sure if its using a framework or just random perl scripts holding
> >> things
> >>> somewhat automated. From what I see there are some Templates setup:
> >>>
> >>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/templates/skeleton.html?revision=1137122&view=markup
> >>
> >> That is the template. The css is here:
> >> incubator/ooo/site/trunk/content/openofficeorg/css/ooo.css
> >>
> >
> > What about the rest of the questions:
> > - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)?
>
> This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think that there are
> plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic server, but I think
> that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion about user support ideas and
> your response has me thinking Open Social.
>
> > - What is the direction of this site?
>
> I think we build it and move it around. My thought is that we build the new
> Apache OpenOffice replacement for openoffice.org at
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/www/ with the mdtext at
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/www/
>
> I think that the initial OpenOffice landing page is pretty nicely done.
>
> > - Who decided on this template?
>
> It was copied from another podling. Feel free to make adjustments under
> lazy consensus.
>
> I did find the following:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/cms/conversion-utilities/cwiki/README.txt
>
> So, we can develop content on OOODEV and then convert it to markdown. This
> would be good to know and test.
>

Should we just import the original OOo Theme?

I am aware the difference CSS changes that would need to be made but this
was done for MediaWiki and Drupal already. So I dont see any reason why the
Apache cms (OOo@Apache) wouldnt.



>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>> On Kenai, it did had the tigris template, which we drag from Collabnet,
> >> and
> >>> the CSS had some major change to it spreading it across 6 different
> >>> stylesheets (before it was only one). And there were of course a
> template
> >>> use on most of the projects. BizDev and Education tried a tableless CSS
> >>> which never made it to production.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2) Do it in the opposite direction:   DNS goes to Oracle's servers
> and
> >>>>>>> they redirect to Apache for services that we've migrated.
 As
> >> services
> >>>>>>> are migrated we ask Oracle to add additional requests. 
When
> >>>>>>> everything is migrated then we switch over the DNS.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> This seems like a better idea with less redirection for the
time
> >> being.
> >>>>>> However, this puts control in Oracle's court which may not be
> >> desirable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> #1 seems a lot cleaner to me, and requires less coordination
with
> >>>>>>> Oracle.  We control the DNS, redirects and generally set
the pace
> of
> >>>>>>> migration.  But are there protocols beyond http/https that
we need
> to
> >>>>>>> worry about?  For example, any ftp, smtp, nntp, etc. that
would
> >>>>>>> complicate things?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If we can agree on the general approach I don't see why
we couldn't
> >>>>>>> start some migration this week.  Bugzilla, for example,
seems to be
> a
> >>>>>>> straightforward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well this particular area seems OK. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Really I will do some work via the wiki this week to augment
the
> list
> >> on
> >>>>>> the wiki from my perspective on what needs to be done.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Rob
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> MzK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that
good
> >> stuff,
> >>>>>> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
> >>>>>> I'll just start over kind of attitude."
> >>>>>>                -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> MzK
> >>>>
> >>>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good
> stuff,
> >>>> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
> >>>> I'll just start over kind of attitude."
> >>>>                -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> *Alexandro Colorado*
> >>> *OpenOffice.org* Español
> >>> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Alexandro Colorado*
> > *OpenOffice.org* Español
> > http://es.openoffice.org
>
>


-- 
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org

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