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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: Teams and Leads - where leadership lives (sermonette warning)
Date Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:17:36 GMT
I forgot to mention that I've forwarded this mail to the community
development list, I think Dennis' "sermonette" should find its way
onto the site. I'd also like to ask Dennis if he
would be OK with me posting it to the ComDev blog as "early
observations about The Apache Way".


On 17 June 2011 23:14, Ross Gardler <> wrote:
> On 16 June 2011 19:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
>> I know, in my case, this will take some awkward and uncomfortable transformation
of how I see myself in the context of coordinated activities.  I'm already seeing, on the
PPMC, that it takes something to learn to function by consensus inspired by shared commitment
rather than other, often-personal considerations.  I say that it is mutual commitment that
carries the day every time.  (Everyone is here because they want to be, whether or not it
turns out to be what we were expecting.)
> Thanks for this observation (and the rest of your useful mail which I
> encourage everyone to read in full, I certainly learned from it). I
> notice that nobody has commented so I thought I'd take the opportunity
> to make an observation about The Apache Way:
> In the ASF silence means approval and agreement (even if only through
> lazy consensus). This can take a great deal of getting used to i.e. a
> post that says "maybe we proceed by using foo" but met with silence
> does not mean "we're ignoring you" it means the community agrees.
> For those used to asking for forgiveness rather than permission it's a
> little easier to get used to, but still a little uncomfortable at
> times.
> Think of the list traffic that is removed by this process of lazy
> consensus through silence ;-)
> Ross
> --
> Ross Gardler <>
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective

Ross Gardler <>
Programme Leader (Open Development)

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