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From Alexandro Colorado <...@openoffice.org>
Subject Re: Top level question on website migration
Date Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:55:22 GMT
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move
> >>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now.  For services
> >>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to Oracle's
> >>>>> server, by IP address.  As additional services are migrated to
> Apache,
> >>>>> we remove redirects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the Apache
> >>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is "up"
> on
> >>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is available
> >>>> via
> >>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY
> >>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where.
> >>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a
> >>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in
> order.
> >>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a
> reasonable
> >>>> schedule.
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business.
> >>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is
> >>>> everything.
> >>>>
> >>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on
> parts
> >>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only
> >>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not doing
> >>>> much
> >>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated on
> the
> >>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really have
> NO
> >>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the
> >>>> moment.
> >>>> This would be interesting to find out.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also wonder
> >>> what
> >>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? Who
> >>> choosed that template?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a
> template.
> >> ????
> >>
> >> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it handles
> >> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before the
> >> move.
> >>
> >>
> >> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good
> >>
> >>> idea to simply change it as please.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see:
> >> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl
> >>
> >> You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o private
> key.
> >>
> >> If you have your own OO.o ID and login, you should be able to see what
> >> projects you are a member of and what rights you have to them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the direction of
> >>> that
> >>> site.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well...it's my understanding that eventually it will cease to exist, at
> >> some point yet to be determined. Thus, we need to put whatever effort we
> can
> >> into this new Apache endeavor.
> >
> >
> > Sorry Kay, I know the Kenai layout, I was asking about Apache-OOo new
> site:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
> >
> > I think this one is set up here:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/
> >
> > It seems to have some perl(?) scripts:
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/lib/view.pm?revision=1137122&view=markup
> >
> > Not sure if its using a framework or just random perl scripts holding
> things
> > somewhat automated. From what I see there are some Templates setup:
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/templates/skeleton.html?revision=1137122&view=markup
>
> That is the template. The css is here:
> incubator/ooo/site/trunk/content/openofficeorg/css/ooo.css
>

What about the rest of the questions:
- Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)?
- What is the direction of this site?
- Who decided on this template?


>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Kenai, it did had the tigris template, which we drag from Collabnet,
> and
> > the CSS had some major change to it spreading it across 6 different
> > stylesheets (before it was only one). And there were of course a template
> > use on most of the projects. BizDev and Education tried a tableless CSS
> > which never made it to production.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Do it in the opposite direction:   DNS goes to Oracle's servers and
> >>>>> they redirect to Apache for services that we've migrated.  As
> services
> >>>>> are migrated we ask Oracle to add additional requests.  When
> >>>>> everything is migrated then we switch over the DNS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> This seems like a better idea with less redirection for the time
> being.
> >>>> However, this puts control in Oracle's court which may not be
> desirable.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> #1 seems a lot cleaner to me, and requires less coordination with
> >>>>> Oracle.  We control the DNS, redirects and generally set the pace
of
> >>>>> migration.  But are there protocols beyond http/https that we need
to
> >>>>> worry about?  For example, any ftp, smtp, nntp, etc. that would
> >>>>> complicate things?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If we can agree on the general approach I don't see why we couldn't
> >>>>> start some migration this week.  Bugzilla, for example, seems to
be a
> >>>>> straightforward.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Well this particular area seems OK. :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Really I will do some work via the wiki this week to augment the list
> on
> >>>> the wiki from my perspective on what needs to be done.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> MzK
> >>>>
> >>>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good
> stuff,
> >>>> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
> >>>> I'll just start over kind of attitude."
> >>>>                 -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> MzK
> >>
> >> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff,
> >> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
> >> I'll just start over kind of attitude."
> >>                 -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Alexandro Colorado*
> > *OpenOffice.org* Español
> > http://es.openoffice.org
>
>


-- 
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org

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