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From Luke Kowalski <>
Subject Re: Subversion history
Date Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:56:13 GMT

I am not sure that everyone would be comfortable with you arranging to have the entire site
screen scraped and all the releases archived at a third party service / location. The site
contains a mixture of content. This is not usnusual for open source project sites. For example,
on of the doc is GPL, some of it is not (by Monty's own design, btw).

Rest assured that the intention is to transfer as many files as possible to
Apache, and we have already taken steps to archive a lot of content (code, discussions, and
all kinds of history). Furthermore we will not turn off the site before everyone is ready.


On Jun 18, 2011, at 16:04, Simon Phipps <> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Marcus Lange <> wrote:
>> Am 06/18/2011 10:45 PM, schrieb Simon Phipps:
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Greg Stein<>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 19:00, Tor Lillqvist<>  wrote:
>>>>> But would ASF be able to distribute such binary releases (and the
>>>>> corresponding sources) that include non-Oracle LGPL bits?
>>>> Probably not, but in more recent years, we've been talking about how
>>>> to distribute non-ALv2 from ASF hardware. Essentially along the lines
>>>> of, "this is not ASF software; we are providing it here as a
>>>> convenience." We just don't want to mislead people to think they are
>>>> Apache releases or Apache-licensed.
>>>> Identifying the archival releases that need to be saved is important,
>>>> regardless. Maybe the TDF could distribute those, or maybe OSU/OSL or
>>>> one of our mirror providers. I've got to believe that a volunteer
>>>> provider would be willing to hold the archives.
>>> One viable option would be to approach and ask them to host
>>> the
>>> legacy releases (naturally we'd need to help make it happen). In fact, it
>>> might also be smart to try to host a snapshot of the entire OO.o site
>>> there
>>> before there's a full transition from Oracle to Apache.  I've sent an
>>> enquiry to their info alias to get their views.
>> Maybe you haven't seen my previous mail. The releases are already backuped.
>> For the entire OOo site it's difficult as (as far as I've understood) it's
>> not one and the same license. So, we have to look first for every part if we
>> are allowed to use it at all.
> I saw you mention the GWDG mirror server and a secret hidden directory
> containing an archive, yes - that would be a fine temporary solution to
> ensure that early loss of the Oracle servers did not result in loss of the
> information. That sounds a fine proposal. I believe what I am proposing here
> is complementary, and additionally allows us to make that archive openly
> available long-term on a system designed for that purpose.
> S.

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