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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)
Date Tue, 28 Jun 2011 01:10:54 GMT
Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different 
threads:  branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is 
handled on the privately archived mailing list. 
Apache policy is set by the VP, Brand Management and the associated 
officer's committee, and implementation of the policy details is left up 
to each project's (P)PMC.

Sam pointed to the main trademark policy document below; at some point 
once this project has more of the website migrated to Apache 
infrastructure, folks will want to review the Apache Project Branding 
Requirements for things that need to be on the project website.

So the decision on licensing Apache marks for things like certification 
is made between the VP, Brand Management and the project's (P)PMC.  Note 
that we have specific policies for domains and events, and I believe the 
ASF will need to further codify and document policies for services and 
third party certifications in the future.

Note also that Oracle's intent is indeed to assign all OOo related 
trademarks to the ASF, although the legal paperwork is not yet complete. 
  Thus, we can't actually license any uses of the OOo marks quite yet.  8-)

- Shane

On 6/16/2011 8:48 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Reposting with a new subject line, and copying the appropriate
> trademark's mailing list.
> The relevant policy can be found here:
> - Sam Ruby
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ian Lynch<>  wrote:
>> On 16 June 2011 12:00, Sam Ruby<>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, IngridvdM<>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or
>>> manager
>>>> or any name that could create the impression that this person has more
>>>> rights than the others. Maybe we can choose 'contact' as a neutral
>>>> description in case something turns out to be needed? Or is there even a
>>>> more neutral word?
>>> The only 'contact' that people need for this project is
>>> If this list grows too large or too busy, then we can create
>>> additional 'contacts' in the form of more mailing lists.
>> OK, sounds sensible to try using what already exists until there is a good
>> reason not too :-)
>> Let me test the system ;-)
>> Alexandro Colorado and myself (both been involved with the OOo community for
>> years) have been negotiating with a large training company to provide a
>> community backed certification for OOo but with a vector to potentially 1500
>> centres. I previously sought and was granted permission by Oracle to use the
>> OOo branding on certificates. I guess we need community consensus here now,
>> to carry on with that. There is quite a long history to all this and I
>> declare a financial interest. I set up a UK government accredited awarding
>> organisation (The Learning Machine Ltd) to enable a mechanism for funding
>> FOSS and CC education development that was independent of licensing ie the
>> business model is QA so no problem licensing any supporting stuff freely.
>> To get started required investment so the only way to do that was to set up
>> a for profit and sell shares. That together with EU grants has put well over
>> £1m of investment into this. We have had some successes such as schools that
>> started using our generic certification with MS products that have now
>> switched to OOo. I can get the FOSS voice heard in influential government
>> places. The strategy is in general to be product neutral but to use FOSS for
>> all exemplars and supporting materials. This gives us a channel to get
>> closed source users at least in contact with FOSS so there is a clear
>> marketing strategy. With OOo certification we can say eg the WP certificate
>> was achieved in the context of OOo Writer and put an OOo logo on the
>> certificate. The assessment criteria are generic so we could do the same
>> with LibO, Koffice etc. or indeed any FOSS software project, Inkscape, Gimp,
>> Audacity etc. WE could even do professional Apache qualifications if there
>> was a demand. Once we work out delivery costs (Its variable and depends on
>> volume) we give a kick back to community funds in return for using the
>> branding. We have the infrastructure in place using a LAMP stack for
>> assessment and certification and Drupal for community support with dynamic
>> links between the 2. Portal is at The acronym INGOT is
>> International Grades - Open Technologies.
>> We are accredited by Ofqual the UK national exam regulators and endorsed by
>> the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT. All our qualifications are
>> referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. We have 2 EU Transfer
>> of innovation projects and we are monitored by all these so the community
>> can have some confidence that we "know what we are doing". My background is
>> that I was a UK School Inspection Team leader and assessor of the National
>> Professional Qualification for Headteachers.
>> So what I'm asking for is permission to use the OOo Trademark and general
>> community support.
>> Trying to keep this reasonably short so please feel free to ask any
>> questions.
>> --
>> Ian
>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
>> +44 (0)1827 305940
>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
>> Wales.

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