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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members
Date Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:01:29 GMT
Hi Rob--

On 06/24/2011 09:09 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Kay Schenk<>  wrote:
>> Hello Rob, * -- see below
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Rob Weir<>  wrote:
>>> Since almost all of us are new to Apache we're learning a lot about
>>> how Apache projects organize themselves.  Based on my reading, I
>>> understand that Apache projects have three degrees of participation:
>>> 1) Developer (or Contributor might be the preferred term, since it
>>> doesn't depend on coding), who is a project member that contributes
>>> patches, helps with support, reports bugs, etc.  The main thing they
>>> cannot do is commit changes directly to the product repository.  They
>>> need to submit patches, which are then reviewed and checked in by a
>>> "committer".
>>> 2) Committers are elected based on their sustained contributions to
>>> the project.  They have an apache userid and email alias.  They can
>>> commit changes to the repository.  They are also responsible for
>>> reviewing patches submitted by other contributors.  A Committer must
>>> have an ICLA on file.
>> What "substantially" is the difference between #1 and #2? I mean in terms of
>> actual actions. I submitted a CLA yesterday, and was told I needed to "voted
>> in", presumably for #1. What I would LIKE to do is make some simple changes
>> to what Apache considers our "primary" web site,
>> for this, I am told/see, I need an Apache userid, which to my knowledge i do
>> not have. So, how to to go about this...
> Hello Kay!
> A Developer/Contributor submits patches, which then are reviewed and
> applied by a Committer.  A Committer can also make his or her own
> updates directly in the repository.  That is why they need to sign the
> ICLA and have an Apache userid.
> Of course, up until now, everyone has been a Committer, since everyone
> who signed up with the initial proposal was automatically made a
> committer.
> So.... Would you like to be the *First Contributor* to submit a patch
> for this project?  This would be great practice for the current
> Committers as well, to receive, review and apply patches.

Yes! I will review all of this discussion and see what I can do in the 
next few days!
Thanks for the opportunity and I apologize for my lack of knowledge and 

>>> 3) Project Management Committee (PMC) are Committers or Contributors
>>> who are elected, based on merit, to help provide oversight to the
>>> project.  They approve releases and elected new Committers and PMC
>>> members.
>> With respect to this. One of the first things I would put on our "new" site
>> is the actual list of our PMC along with some better instructions as to what
>> one is supposed to do.
>> I am still VERY confused over the use of
>> vs
> Projects under incubation have special attention given to them by the
> Apache Incubator PMC and the mentors who volunteer to help us get
> started.  The first page is the page that the Incubation PMC uses to
> track our status.  There is a page like this for every "podling" in
> the incubator.
> The 2nd web page is the website that the project controls.  Once we
> graduate from incubation and become a top level project (TLP) that
> will change to something like
>> but if you look at any of the other Apache project websites, I think you'll
>> get a general idea of the "look and feel" of them.
>> OK, I KNOW we have a LOT to discuss. But, I would just like to "fix up" the
>> main site a bit, so people coming over to have a look, actually have
>> something reasonable to look at and have some idea about what's going on.
> OK.  That would be great.  I assume you are talking about this site:
> Are you familiar with Subversion?  If so, you can download the source
> for the site here:
> If you don't know subversion, let us know as well, and we'll point you
> in the right direction.
>> Thanks, and please vote me in for an Apache ID. :)
> I'll make you a deal.  Give me 5 good patches and I'll nominate you
> for Committer.  Of course, someone else might nominate you for only 2
> patches ;-)
> But it all starts with submitting that first patch.
> Regards,
> -Rob


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  that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
  I'll just start over kind of attitude."
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