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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Top level question on website migration
Date Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:51:22 GMT

On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move
>>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now.  For services
>>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to Oracle's
>>>>> server, by IP address.  As additional services are migrated to Apache,
>>>>> we remove redirects.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the Apache
>>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is "up" on
>>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is available
>>>> via
>>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY
>>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where.
>>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a
>>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in order.
>>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a reasonable
>>>> schedule.
>>>> 
>>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business.
>>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is
>>>> everything.
>>>> 
>>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on parts
>>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only
>>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not doing
>>>> much
>>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated on the
>>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really have NO
>>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the
>>>> moment.
>>>> This would be interesting to find out.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also wonder
>>> what
>>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? Who
>>> choosed that template?
>>> 
>> 
>> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a template.
>> ????
>> 
>> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it handles
>> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before the
>> move.
>> 
>> 
>> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good
>> 
>>> idea to simply change it as please.
>>> 
>> 
>> The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see:
>> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl
>> 
>> You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o private key.
>> 
>> If you have your own OO.o ID and login, you should be able to see what
>> projects you are a member of and what rights you have to them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the direction of
>>> that
>>> site.
>>> 
>> 
>> Well...it's my understanding that eventually it will cease to exist, at
>> some point yet to be determined. Thus, we need to put whatever effort we can
>> into this new Apache endeavor.
> 
> 
> Sorry Kay, I know the Kenai layout, I was asking about Apache-OOo new site:
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
> 
> I think this one is set up here:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/
> 
> It seems to have some perl(?) scripts:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/lib/view.pm?revision=1137122&view=markup
> 
> Not sure if its using a framework or just random perl scripts holding things
> somewhat automated. From what I see there are some Templates setup:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/templates/skeleton.html?revision=1137122&view=markup

That is the template. The css is here: incubator/ooo/site/trunk/content/openofficeorg/css/ooo.css

Regards,
Dave

> On Kenai, it did had the tigris template, which we drag from Collabnet, and
> the CSS had some major change to it spreading it across 6 different
> stylesheets (before it was only one). And there were of course a template
> use on most of the projects. BizDev and Education tried a tableless CSS
> which never made it to production.
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2) Do it in the opposite direction:   DNS goes to Oracle's servers and
>>>>> they redirect to Apache for services that we've migrated.  As services
>>>>> are migrated we ask Oracle to add additional requests.  When
>>>>> everything is migrated then we switch over the DNS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> This seems like a better idea with less redirection for the time being.
>>>> However, this puts control in Oracle's court which may not be desirable.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> #1 seems a lot cleaner to me, and requires less coordination with
>>>>> Oracle.  We control the DNS, redirects and generally set the pace of
>>>>> migration.  But are there protocols beyond http/https that we need to
>>>>> worry about?  For example, any ftp, smtp, nntp, etc. that would
>>>>> complicate things?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If we can agree on the general approach I don't see why we couldn't
>>>>> start some migration this week.  Bugzilla, for example, seems to be a
>>>>> straightforward.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> Well this particular area seems OK. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Really I will do some work via the wiki this week to augment the list on
>>>> the wiki from my perspective on what needs to be done.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Rob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>> 
>>>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff,
>>>> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
>>>> I'll just start over kind of attitude."
>>>>                 -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>> 
>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff,
>> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
>> I'll just start over kind of attitude."
>>                 -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *Alexandro Colorado*
> *OpenOffice.org* EspaƱol
> http://es.openoffice.org


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