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From Christoph Noack <christ...@dogmatux.com>
Subject [Fwd: RE: Infrastructure and Data for... End-Users of OpenOffice.org]
Date Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:54:08 GMT
Hi Dennis, all!

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> Von: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
[...]
> You can now subscribe (I think) and post this to
> dev-ooo@incubator.apache.org or issues-ooo@incubator.apache.org.
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Thanks for the hint, so here - again - some thoughts what might be
helpful for the mid- to longterm development of OOo.

Cheers,
Christoph

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Noack [mailto:christoph@dogmatux.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 14:58
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Infrastructure and Data for... End-Users of OpenOffice.org
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> thanks for your mail ... one may notice that my reply is a bit late, so
> I'm glad that I "disclaimer-ed" the available time in advance *g*
> 
> So, if anybody is still interested in this topic, here we go ...
> 
> Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2011, 17:03 +0100 schrieb Robert Burrell Donkin:
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > Sorry for talking about such stuff in such a great detail, but my aim
> > > was to make clear that the Joe Averages we have (and we have lots of
> > > them), don't care about licensing details, or whether the code is well
> > > structured, or what build machinery is used. Instead, they judge whether
> > > a product fits to their needs (in this moment).
> > 
> > +1
> [...]
> 
> > So just to name a few tools we
> > > have/had at OOo which I still consider to be important in the mid- and
> > > long-term:
> > >      * User survey tooling and data, including different questionnaires
> > >        with over 3 million detailed responses
> > >      * Usage data backend and data, covering millions of user actions
> > >        to create statistics for development decisions
> > >      * ...
> > 
> > Sounds like ensuring that all documents that need to be included
> > within the grant is going to be important
> 
> Okay, then please allow me to list them within the mail - it would be
> great if anybody could pick those information to use them appropriately.
> I'll try to add a personal judgment how important I think these
> information are in the mid- to long-term.
> 
> ISSUE TRACKER CONTENT
> 
> Description: The complete content of the OOo issue tracker including all
> votes, attachments and keywords.
> 
> Rationale: Many development decisions and also (partly) specifications
> are documented within the issue tracker. Furthermore, there is a basic
> "vote" system to enable community members to highlight issues to be
> worked on (from their POV).
> 
> Source: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/query.cgi
> 
> Importance: Mid-High
> 
> 
> WIKI CONTENT
> 
> Description: Selected wiki content including all linked data.
> 
> Rationale: The wiki contains development processes, ideas, and also
> (partly) specifications that may be important for future use - to ensure
> consistency.
> 
> Source: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org
> 
> Importance: Mid
> 
> 
> USAGE TRACKING BACKEND AND CONTENT
> 
> Description: Also known as "OpenOffice.org Improvement Program", or
> "OpenOffice.org User Feedback". More detailed, OpenOffice.org sends (if
> the user permits) usage statistics to a server hosted by Oracle in
> Hamburg. This closed-source backend both receives the data and
> transforms it, so that (e.g.) the User Experience team is able to
> analyze it. Important is both the backend (for analyzing changes in
> OpenOffice.org) and the already available data (for development
> reasons).
> 
> Rationale: Due to the complexity of OpenOffice.org, the usage data is
> very important for design decisions that affect a majority of the user
> base (e.g. UI changes).
> 
> Source (basic documentation, no backend source code):
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/OpenOffice.org_User_Feedback_Program
> 
> Importance: High
> 
> Note:
>       * A plain export (numbers) is less sufficient, since it doesn't
>         contain dependencies between the individual recorded user
>         actions.
>       * I'm not sure who might be contacted, but maybe the Oracle guys
>         on this list can shed some light on that (that would be great!)
> 
> 
> USER SURVEY STRUCTURE AND CONTENT
> 
> Description: The User Experience Team did several user surveys and
> collected an incredible amount of user feedback (approx. 3 million
> filled-out questionnaires). Thus, this item refers to both the user
> survey structure (can be exported), and the data.
> 
> Importance: Mid-High
> 
> Source (no code):
>       * User Survey: http://surveys.services.openoffice.org
>       * Description:
>         http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1#Who_are_our_users.3F
> 
> Note:
>       * The acquired data contains (helpful) text comments that may
>         contain personal information. So if there are any legal
>         concerns, the non-text data would be sufficiently helpful.
>       * I have been told that a plain export from withing LimeSurvey
>         doesn't work with the given number of data sets - so there is a
>         need to do an export of the underlying database.
> 
> 
> SPECIFICATION DOCUMENTS
> 
> Description: Specification documents that describe the behavior of
> OpenOffice.org or intended feature enhancements
> 
> Rationale: Required to ensure consistent changes within OpenOffice.org.
> Usually, the specification documents contain essential information /
> requirements.
> 
> Importance: Mid
> 
> Source:
>       * http://specs.openoffice.org/
>       * http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Specification
> 
> Note: Some of these documents may only be available internally at
> Oracle, e.g. related to the upcoming Project Renaissance improvements.
> 
> 
> HELP AUTHORING TOOLS
> 
> Description: The utilities (macros and xslt filter) for help authoring.
> They have moved out of the regular source-repository, but they are not
> at the expected place. 
> 
> Rationale: Well, sometimes users rely on help ;-)
> 
> Importance: ???
> 
> Source:
>       * http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/315be8282fa3/helpcontent2/helpers/README
reads: New location for helpers that are not used by the build process is documentation/www/online_help/helpers
but http://openoffice.org/projects/documentation/sources/webcontent/show/online_help has no
helpers dir
>       * http://documentation.openoffice.org/online_help/OOo2HelpAuthoring.pdf
> 
> 
> ARTWORK SOURCES
> 
> Description: All artwork sources required to work on the OpenOffice.org
> icons (e.g. Galaxy) and the branding. They are currently available
> internally at Oracle in formats like Adobe Photoshop, Designer, ...
> 
> Rationale: Helpful to tweak existing / create new icons based on the
> well established "OpenOffice.org Galaxy Style".
> 
> Source (Examples): http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign
> 
> Importance: Low-Mid
> 
> 
> OPENOFFICE.ORG CONFERENCE DATA
> 
> Description: OOoCon presentations and programs; most of the information
> should be available in the conference system that has been used in the
> last years (see Source).
> 
> Rationale: It's the history of OOO :-)
> 
> Source: http://conference.services.openoffice.org
> 
> Importance: Low
> 
> 
> STAROFFICE PROFESSIONAL ADDONS
> 
> Description: StarOffice was shipped with several (propitiatory) add-ons
> like document migration analyzer, configuration editor ...
> 
> Rationale: Would be helpful to continue to provide third party support
> 
> Source: ???
> 
> Importance: Low-Mid
> 
> 
> TEST CASE MANAGEMENT AND TEST CASES
> 
> Description: There are several manual and automated tests within
> OpenOffice.org. This item refers to both the backends (for test case
> management and status collection) and the data (test cases, test
> documents).
> 
> Rationale: Doing any kind of tests ...
> 
> Source:
>       * http://quaste.services.openoffice.org/
>       * http://quaste.services.openoffice.org/tcm/tcm_login.cgi?tcm_config=newooo
> 
> Importance: Mid
> 
> Note: I'm not the expert for testing, so I hope for the help from some
> of the Oracle guys on this list.
> 
> 
> > > Finally, if you'd like me to elaborate on specific user related topics,
> > > I'm happy to help. May it be during the current, or the next phases of
> > > the OOo project proposal.
> > > The only downside is that my spare time is
> > > currently very limited - I currently try to reserve the major "time
> > > slots" for our newly born child (also the reason for not reading that
> > > much about the ASF processes).
> > 
> > Congratulations :-)
> 
> Thank you ... unfortunately, all the processes with regard to our child
> are well established (in general), but hardly documented (for us) ;-)
> 
> > If you could find some time to ensure that the grant covers everything
> > that the community (both here at Apache and downstream) will need
> > going forward, I think that will be time well spent. If you have any
> > spare for elaboration then that please just jump in.
> 
> So, that's what I'm currently aware of - besides the usual stuff like
> Templates repository, Extensions repository, Pootle Translation Server,
> or Mailing Lists.
> 
> I hope it helped (at least a bit). If there is something unclear, please
> give me a ping ...
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
> 
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