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Subject svn commit: r1196049 [11/13] - in /incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content: about/ about/__modules/ native-lang/ native-lang/conference/ native-lang/conference/img/ native-lang/conference/instructions/ native-lang/conference/instructions/img/ native-lang/...
Date Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:21:53 GMT
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+table.schedule {
+  background: #fff;
+  width: 95%;
+}
+tr.talk {
+  background: #f0f0f0;
+  height: 1.5em;
+  border-bottom: medium solid #f00
+}
+tr.heading {
+  background:#184090;
+  color:#fff;
+  font-weight: bold;
+  height: 2em;
+  vertical-alignment: middle;
+}
+td.date { background: #9cf }
+td.tba  { color: #e30 }
+td { vertical-align: top }
+h1, h2, h3, h4 { color: #037 }
+h1 { text-align: center }
+h2 { margin-left: 2em   }

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+USAGE:
+
+1) ./clean.pl log > log2
+2) mv log2 log
+3) ./nicks.pl log > colours.pl
+4) Fix colours in "colours.pl"
+5) ./convert.pl log > log.html
+
+   Note: If a nick is black, it must be added manuall to colours.pl
+
+6) Add the title and speaker to log.html.  Format:
+  <h1>IRC Conference log</h1>
+  <h2>
+     INREACH, building an active community<br />
+     by Daniel Carrera
+  </h2>

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+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use warnings;
+use strict;
+
+#
+# Sanity check.
+#
+$ARGV[0] or die "Usage: secure filename";
+my $file = $ARGV[0];
+unless (-e $file) { die "No such file: $file" }
+
+#
+#  Remove background noise.
+#
+open INPUT, "<$file";
+while (<INPUT>) {
+    #
+    # Mar 20 17:32:05 <--     SomeNicks has left #room
+    #
+    next if (/^\w\w\w\s\d\d\s\d\d:\d\d:\d\d\s<--\s/); # Nick leaves.
+    next if (/^\w\w\w\s\d\d\s\d\d:\d\d:\d\d\s-->\s/); # Nick enters.
+    next if (/^\w\w\w\s\d\d\s\d\d:\d\d:\d\d\s---\s/); # Nick changes.
+    next if (/^\w\w\w\s\d\d\s\d\d:\d\d:\d\d\s>/);     # Private msg.
+    next if (/^\w\w\w\s\d\d\s\d\d:\d\d:\d\d\s\*/);    # 3rd person.
+    print
+}
+close INPUT;
+
+####
+#Mar 20 17:32:05 <--     simonbr (~Simon@simonbr.xs4all.nl) has left #ooonlc   #
+#Mar 20 17:33:51 <--     Jzarecta has quit ("Leaving")   #
+###

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+#
+#  Include file with nick colours.
+#
+
+our %colours = qw(
+     AietKolkhi   #800
+        DanielC   #080
+           Magi   #008
+          cloph   #088
+        gautehk   #808
+       hfischer   #880
+    jrahemipour   #50a
+        khirano   #05a
+);
+1;

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+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use warnings;
+use strict;
+
+require "colours.pl";
+
+#
+# Sanity check.
+#
+$ARGV[0] or die "Usage: secure filename";
+my $file = $ARGV[0];
+unless (-e $file) { die "No such file: $file" }
+
+#
+# Put the entire log in an array.
+#
+open INPUT, "<$file";
+my @lines = ();
+while (<INPUT>) {chomp; push @lines, $_ }
+close INPUT;
+
+#
+# Remove the time, and set the colour of the nick (from colours.pl).
+# Nicks have the form <DanielC>.
+#
+# %colours
+for (my $i = 0; $i < @lines; $i++) {
+    $lines[$i] =~ /.*?<(.*?)>/;
+    my $nick = $1;
+    my $col  = ($main::colours{$nick} ? $main::colours{$nick} : '#000');
+    my $bold = "<span style='color:$col; font-weight:900'>$nick</span>";
+    $lines[$i] =~ s/.*?<$nick>/[$bold]\n/;
+}
+
+#
+# Print out.
+#
+print <<EOH
+<html>
+<head>
+  <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style.css" />
+  <title>IRC Conference log</title>
+  <style type="text/css">
+    #tabs, #apphead, #leftcol, #projecttools,
+    .docs, #toc, .docs, .courtesylinks { display: none }
+  </style>
+</head>
+<body>
+
+<h1>IRC Conference log</h1>
+<h2>
+   <!-- Talk Title   <br /> -->
+   <!-- by Speaker   <br /> -->
+   <!-- <a href="../slides/">Download slides</a> -->
+</h2>
+
+<!--  ====================  -->
+<!--       LOG STARTS       -->
+<!--  ====================  -->
+
+EOH
+;
+for my $line (@lines) {
+   print "   $line\n<br />\n";
+}

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+<html>
+<head>
+  <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style.css" />
+  <title>IRC Conference log</title>
+  <style type="text/css">
+    #tabs, #apphead, #leftcol, #projecttools,
+    .docs, #toc, .docs, .courtesylinks { display: none }
+  </style>
+</head>
+<body>
+
+<h1>IRC Conference log</h1>
+<h2>
+   Non Profit Organization (NPO) to Support OpenSource Developers<br />
+   by Kazunari Hirano<br />
+   <!-- <a href="../slides/">Download slides</a> -->
+</h2>
+
+<!--  ====================  -->
+<!--       LOG STARTS       -->
+<!--  ====================  -->
+
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I will start in 5 min., is it ok for you all?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Yes, certainly
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  If you want to have Slides of my presentation, please go to get it there:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  My .sxi is here: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  let me start :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Hi all,
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Thanks for coming. :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  And very sorry for being late to upload my presentation.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  My .sxi is here: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I have been travelling around Japan to meet people
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  whom I would like to ask to join, and to discuss with them about vision of NPO, OpenSourcers (tentative name) and our dreams.  
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Becase I think it is very important that NPO founders trust each other.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I have just been back from Tokyo.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OK, let me start my presentation.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 1:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  My talk will be on Non Profit Organization (NPO) to Support OpenSource Developers
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 2:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  My talk will be short.  I would like to have your advises and comments, more time for Q & A and discussion.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  After my presentation I have questions for you.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Please think about these questions while seeing, listening my presentation.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  My questions are:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What NPO law do you have in your country?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Are you planning to establish an NPO?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Do you know contributors, developers or translators  who need financial or material help?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What do they need, What do they want?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Why are you working for OpenOffice.org the product and the community?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What is your motivation?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Do you think that money can help OpenSource development? :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Here is the Agenda
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Speaker Introductions
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Japan
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OpenOffice.org Ja Native Language Project
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Japan OpenOffice.org Users Group 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What we really need
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What if we have money
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO Law in Japan
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO Activity
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  and Q & A
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 3:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  My name is Kazunari Hirano.  
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  When I introduce myself with my full name in Japanese, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I say my family name first, and then my given name,
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  so I say, my name is Hirano Kazunari.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We use Chinese Characters. 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can't express well without using them.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Chinese Characters are ideogram. 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  When we see it, we can imagine what it means. 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  In my name you can see a Chinese Character "One," very easy one to understand :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  My name literally means, "Plain Field, One Success."
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 4: Japan
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I made this Japan language map based on information given by:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=JP
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I don't think it's a correct map 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  because their information is old and often incorrect
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  but it's ok, one of the very interesting view on languages in Japan.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I am a member of the OpenOffice.org Japanese Native Language Project,
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I am a Japanese living in Japan.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I am an OpenOffice.org blogger :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  http://openoffice.exblog.jp/
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  There you can see my face :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Japan is often called Japanese archipelago or Japanese islands.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Bigger islands are Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I live in "Ichinoseki" City, "Iwate" Prefecture, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  northern part of Japan Main Island, "Honshu."
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 5:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Japanese Native Language Project
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Ja NLP membership
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  http://ja.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMemberList
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We have around 800 observers registered and around 20 developers registered.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We form OpenOffice.org Japan Users Group, core of which is OpenOffice.org Japanese Native Language Project.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  For this group we have 15 managing staffs, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  core of which are OpenOffice.org Japanese Native Language Project members who have signed JCA and have commit rights.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  The Users Group has a users mailing list outside the OpenOffice.org Japanese Native Language Project to embrace as many users as possible,
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  which is openoffce@freeml.com
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  It has Near 3,000 subscribers
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Sure we have Project Mailing Lists:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We use discuss@ja.openoffice.org to discuss about management of the group, marketing, events, and general questions regarding OpenOffice.org
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We use translate@ja.openoffice.org for translation works, translation collaboration with Sun Microsystems, OpenOffice.org translation bug reporting etc.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 6:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OpenOffice.org Japan Users Group
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  It is just a group.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We don't know who are members.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  It is not a legal entity.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  All activity is based on volunteers.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We don't have accounting function.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can't receive money.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  When we need money or have a chance to receive money, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  we ask an individual, a staff member, to voluntarily open a bank account.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  The group often creates OpenOffice.org CDs and distributes free to people at events and conferences in Japan.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  When we organized the OpenOffice.org Conference Japan 2005,
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  a company wanted to contribute to us.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  A staff member asked a CD manufacturer to press hundreds of OpenOffice.org CDs and pay for them.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  And after the conference, the company donate the amount of money what he paid to his own account.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  This was heavy burden and risk for him.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 7:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What we really need
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We don't want money.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want People
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want Developers
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want Translators
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want Contributors
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want Motivated people
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want to have quality OpenOffice.org
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want to contribute to society
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want Communication
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We want to Help people
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Now do we need Money?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 8:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What if we have money
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We don't work for money. :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  But what if we have money:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can get more contributors, developers and translators.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Skilled developers are busy. :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can ask developers to share their time.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Tools are needed for development.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can provide them with equipments.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Developers need information and exchange of ideas.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can help them go to conferences.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can do a lot of activity you can imagine :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Marketing activitiy, Organizing activity....
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 9:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO Law in Japan
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  It was enacted on Dec. 1, 1998 and revised on May 1, 2003.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  The revised law simplified the application and grant process.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Under the NPO law, Japanese government grants a volunteer group as a legal entity
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What is benefits to become an NPO, a legal entity
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Can open a bank account as a group
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Can open an office as a group
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Can register its real property as a group
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Can perform other various legal action as a group
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 10:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  The NPO law provides Authorized NPO.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  National Tax Agency grants an Authorized NPO.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  If individuals and organizations donate to the Authorized NPO, they don't have to pay tax for the donation.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  The law provides expansion of tax breaks for donations.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  It facilitates individuals, companies and other organizations to danate to NPOs :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 11:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO requirements
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO must have certain purposes
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  such as promotions for welfare, social education, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  for local community, academic and scientific research, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  for environment, security, human rights, children, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  for information society, economic revitalization, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  for employment, consumer protection, etc.., 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  which benefit general public
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO is like a company
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  A company makes money for profit.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO makes money but not for profit,
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  which means NPO members don't share profit. 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Not more than 1/3 of board members get compensation.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO must have at least 3 bord members and 1 auditor.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 12:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NPO should have Business Plan:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  They may be:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OpenSource Software Development
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OpenSource Software Localization
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Translation
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Publication (e.g."OpenOffice.org Magazine" with CD)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Design Usable and Beautiful Computers
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Research
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  User support
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Consulting
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Events, Conferences, Campaign, Fundraising
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 13:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We will find out good, skilled, honest contributors, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  developers and translators from OpenSouce communities and other fields.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We will meet them and discuss what they want to do,
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  what they need and what we can do together
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  to develop OpenOffice.org and other OpenSource Software.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We encourage them to work together and provide them with what they need by giving them resources, information, money, etc.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We encourage them to join our activity and dispatch them to the conference by giving them transportation and accomodation.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 14:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I would like to focus on Translation Works.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Translation is essential to Japanese OpenSource Communities.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  to provide developers with information
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  for good communication with world developers
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  to motivate developers to join development works
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  For example: TCM (Test Case Maintenance)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  When 1.9.79 test, Japanese Version TCM registered testers were 3, 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  as TCM test cases was all in English.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Then TCM test cases have been translated in Japanese.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  1.9.95 Japanese Version testers increased to 11.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Japanese Translation facilitates Japanese contributors and developers to join OpenOffice.org activity.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 15:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  What would the NPO like to do in future?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  to help world OpenSource developers
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  to help communication and collaboration between various OpenSource communities and businesses
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OpenOffice.org Aynu Localization
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OpenOffice.org Klingon Localization
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Verious localization works
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#088; font-weight:900'>cloph</span>]
+  ??
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Host OpenOffice.org Conference in Japan
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  and to help all the projects you can imagine.. :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  correction: Various localization works
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I would like to add some future projects to the slide.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Under the NPO law, NPO can establish a school.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  So the NPO would make a school to educate OpenSource developers and send them to the society.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  cloph: let us talk about Klingon later :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  So the NPO would make a school to educate OpenSource developers and send them to the society.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  And the NPO can set up a research institute for OpenSource Software, attached to the school.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Slide 16:
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Thanks for your attention and Q & A :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  simple questions please :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#088; font-weight:900'>cloph</span>]
+  So what about klingon? Do you really meant the klingon from the enterprise-series?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  cloph: yes!
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#088; font-weight:900'>cloph</span>]
+  I really wonder who will (or better can) use an Office Suite in klingon... :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  cloph: so let us talk about it later, one reason is that it is fun!
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  that's all, and I can think of marketing purpose :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  Thanks, khirano, this was both interesting and familiar because we already have a foundation/NPO that funds OOo work in Norway. Where will the Japanese NPO get money?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#088; font-weight:900'>cloph</span>]
+  ..But according to german wikipedia it is a registered language! And there even is a wikipedia in klingon :-) but enough about this... Sorry for disturbing/being off-topic :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  khirano: Is this the Q&A now?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  gautehk: the NPO do business and ask companies and local governments,  japanese government to donate.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  khirano: Sounds very familiar (and sensible)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  the NPO publishes magazines and others, and sell them.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  the NPO collect membership fee, also.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  cloph: it's ok.  I want to discuss about it later :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  khirano: who are members? Individuals or large-scale users (companies/organizations/government)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  gautehk: Both
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  they would be members.  they can join the NPO as individuals and organizations.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  And membership fees would vary
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  the NPO can decide the membership fee for individuals and organizations.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Do the NPO members get an allowance for their work?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  the NPO can employ staffs, who would be paid, allowance.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  It could employ developers and documentation writers! :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  DanielC: right!
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  I'd like that a lot. I think it would help OOo to have more developers, and in particular, some who aren't tied to any company.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Even if we don't hire people full time, if we just hire a couple of guys part time, that would be something.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Or we could work on commission.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Like, get someone to write SVG import.  :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  DanielC: thanks for good ideas
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Yeah, that might work well. Comission would work for a beginning NPO.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  khirano: Is your NPO setup already?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  For comparison, here's briefly what we do: The Norwegian foundation employs part-time translators. It has no membership fee. Some of the board members represent large-scale users.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  NOT YET! 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  ok
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#088; font-weight:900'>cloph</span>]
+  SVG-import already exists as a xslt-based solution (at least it was started)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  cloph: Yeah, but it needs work.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  gautehk: You have an NPO already?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  DanielC: yes, for a year or so
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  cool.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Do you now other projects that do too?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  I think I heard that French NL has one.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Don`t you think there will be conflicts of interest if there are developers who are employed and others who are not?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: How so?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour: I am thinking about it too.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  Volunteers do the fun stuff, paid employees do the boring work. (Basically :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  So we will meet developers and ask them whether they want to be supported or not.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  and the NPO will open all the information it has, whom it supports and others
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Germany has such a NPO too... but we have problems to separate between "NPO interests" and "own business interests" of the members
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour:  the NPO will help their communication and understanding
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Its not the problem of the members, more the critical voices you hear in the de-community
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour:  yes, it is.  we have to think about it.  but I think we can solve the question by communication and mutual understanding
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Whats about the ja-community? How does they think about it?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Not all the people among ja-community think that the NPO is the best solution
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Yes, thats right. Communication between community an NPO is very important. It`s very important to have strict rules how to handle with the earned money
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  The present ja-community can not handle money at all.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Do they have alternatives? Or do they think, its not important to handle with money?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  But we know we have to have some measure to handle money and to further develop our works and community
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour: No, they don't have alternatives, I think.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: That`s true... we concentrate on marketing activities at the moment, I don`t think, we can manage it in the next years to employ people
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I think they are OK with present situation to do the same as past.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  But I think we have to do more to keep the community survive and be active.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Actually it is difficult to keep motivation of developers and translators among ja-community.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: How did the qa-community increase in the last two years? Do you know, how many observers and developers you had 2 years before?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahempour: I don't know exactly how many
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  khirano: I can imagine motivation being difficult. OOo is a lot harder to work on than most other open source projects.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  but OpenOffice.org development so far is itself very interesting and we got many users.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  khirano: I guess it's an issue of making it easier for developers who are already interested to not be distracted by "work".
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  khirano: Kind of like what they did for Linus.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  DanielC:  it is true :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  hhmm... maybe this also leads into "who do we hire?"
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  The NPO would hire people who have been working for a while and have shown commitment.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  it is the most important question.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  But that wouldn't address problems like hiring someone to finish SVG import. That is, problems for which no current member can help.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  It's a difficult question. Discussion is good.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We have to meet them and discuss.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  To meet them, we have to travel, we need money :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  If you focus on local developers it might be easier.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Or... you can arrange for "potentials" to go to OOoCon.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Hhmm... I like that idea.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Pick a few people who are good contributors and sponsor them to go to OOoCon.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Then meet them there.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  sounds good.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Even if you don't "hire" them later, you still did something valuable with that money.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  You know what I mean.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  yes, definitely
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  I only see the problem... "who decides it" and how to prevent, that the others not think to get a raw deal
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#008; font-weight:900'>Magi</span>]
+  I've heard that SVG is hard to implement? Possibly it can't be done with XSLT at all.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: I guess that you need some sort of committee. So no one person can choose arbitrarily (or be /seen/ to choose arbitrarily).
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour: You have the OpenOffice.org non profit association in German, right?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: But no matter what you do, someone will always be upset.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Magi: I hear that an "ok" filter is doable, but a "complete" filter is very hard.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Magi: But I don't know.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Yes we have... and we have exact this kind of problems with it
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour: I would like to share knowledge and activity with yours
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: How do you decide right now?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  DanielC: We don`t decide much at the moment. We focus on marketing activities. We pay for things, the members had to pay for theirselves before
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: Ok. That's still a good way to spend the money. You don't *have* to hire people.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  (IMHO)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  We have a "board of directors" (Vorstand), who decides, how to spend the money... we are 3 persons
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  I see.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  DanielC: But its always the problem, not to be inequitable
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: I don't envy your position. No matter what you do, someone will be unhappy.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  But we surely spend money for community members who are not members of the NPO
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  So all one can do is minimize the number of unhappy people.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  ok
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Perhaps it's safer to "sponsor" people so they spend less money themselves? Like taking them to OOoCon.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  But this is a problem too... we have laws, that we are not allowed to spend too much money for non-members
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: Do you have a lot of complaints over how DE-NL spends money?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  DanielC: Yes, we had terrible discussions about it in the beginning of this year
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :-(
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  (unstable network ...)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  But it was at a time we did not spend much money at all. We were at the beginning of our activities... and it slowed down our motivation...
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: May I ask what the money argument was about? Or do you prefer to not discuss it?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  This is hot stuff.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  ok
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  let's not get into it then.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  DanielC: No, its ok! But I don`t know the arguments exactly. 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  ok
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  I for myself can't explain the discussions exactly.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#088; font-weight:900'>cloph</span>]
+  The main problem with this whole discussion was that it was not arguments that were discussed but personalities.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  cloph: Yes, that`s right
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :(
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  But that's not a fundamental problem with NPO's. That can happen with any kind of decison.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Its a problem to get active people for the work at a NPO... the others mistrusts them and think, they only have personal interests
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  oh
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Trust, it is important.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Yes.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#088; font-weight:900'>cloph</span>]
+  The only "money" related thing was that there was a sponsered weekend in a hotel (the owner of the hotel sponsored the stay, the members only had to pay for food/drinking). Members of the e.V. had to bay 5 € less. But this really was a very marginal point of the discussion.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  For me was the foundation of the german NPO not really anchored at the online community. The right communication between a very active group and the online volunteers was missing. So I think. That is my personal opinion, I speak only for my self.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  hfischer: So they felt left out.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  Yes, I think so.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Ok.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Well... we've learned something. That when you setup an NPO it's important to involve as much of the community as you can.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  And not just do it yourself.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  DanielC: Yes.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  We didn´t do it ourself in germany. But not all community members noticed it
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Its a difficult topic... involving the community is very important, but you have to make a decision sometime
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  It is a arduous way to communicate special facts all over the net and through mailinglists. Some people want to get results very quick, but that is not even possible in a online community who could speak together realtime.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  hfischer: it's true.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#800; font-weight:900'>AietKolkhi</span>]
+  Hello DanielC, Khirano, Helga and  everybody. I am sorry I was not able to join earlier. The topic seemedvery  interesting, so I will have to see the logs I guess :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  We talked about the foundation for more than 2 Years...
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  AietKolkhi: Good to see you.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: That seems like plenty of time...
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Of course, I don't know the details.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour:  you started a local foundation actually, it is a good progress.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  we start a NPO in Japan and would get some experience.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Another point is, that the people who are not only working online, spent a lot of money for fairs and so on, so they saw many good reasons 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  We can share our knowledge and many things.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Yes, certainly. Feel free to ask, if you have questions!
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  jrahemipour: yes I will :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I am happy to get some good ideas and experience here :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Will you attend the next OOoCon?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  the NPO would start next month
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I hope.  I am writing Business Plan of the NPO now:)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Oh, good! Please don`t hesitate to contact us
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I will make another presentation about the NPO's experience.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  That would be very interesting
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  OK, thanks all, I will go to bed now.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  May I see you all at the next OpenOffice.org Conference?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Goodnight! And thanks for the interesting presentation
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  khirano: Good night!
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Are you coming? to France or Slovenia?
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Thank you for the talk!
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  you are welcome
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  DanielC:  I am helped by you :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Yes, I will be there... 
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  my pleasure, all, thanks, good night.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#808; font-weight:900'>gautehk</span>]
+  khirano: Thanks for the talk. It's quite possible I'll come too.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  jrahemipour: Maybe I'll be there this year too. :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  I'd love to meet everyone.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  DanielC: That would be fine
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  gautehk: that's good!  I will see you face-to-face.  it will be nice.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  khirano: Thank you for this presentation. It was very interesting for me.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  clap clap clap clap clap clap
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  clap clap clap clap clap clap
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  Thanks all, again, and I am looking forward to seeing you face-to-face, offline :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  yeah
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I would like to hear your voices :)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  khirano: Ciao...
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  I would like to shake hands with you.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#05a; font-weight:900'>khirano</span>]
+  good night, all
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#880; font-weight:900'>hfischer</span>]
+  Good Night.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  Bye all...
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  bye
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  thank you for comming
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  Nice "meeting" you.
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  dito :-)
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#50a; font-weight:900'>jrahemipour</span>]
+  "See" you next time...
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  yeah
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  bye bye
+<br />
+   [<span style='color:#080; font-weight:900'>DanielC</span>]
+  :)
+<br />

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+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use warnings;
+use strict;
+
+# Nice colours:
+#
+# Red:     800
+# Green:   080
+# Blue:    008
+# Cyan:    088
+# Magneta: 808
+# Yellow:  880
+# Purple:  50a
+# LightB:  05a
+# LightG:  5a0
+# ------   a37
+# ------   a73
+# ------   37a
+# xxxxxx   458
+# xxxxxx   854
+# xxxxxx   548
+# Mustard: 890
+# Brown:   753
+# LightP:  b28
+# Green2:  8a5
+# Purple2: 53a
+
+my @colours = qw( 800 080 008 088 808 880 50a 05a 5a0 a73 a37 37a 
+                  458 854 548 890 753 b28 8a5 53a );
+
+#
+# Sanity check.
+#
+$ARGV[0] or die "Usage: secure filename";
+my $file = $ARGV[0];
+unless (-e $file) { die "No such file: $file" }
+
+#
+# Extract the nicks from the file.
+#
+open INPUT, "<$file";
+my @lines = ();
+while (<INPUT>) {
+    chomp;
+    my $line = $_;
+
+    # Leave only the nick, which has form <DanielC>
+    $line =~ s/^\w\w\w\s\d\d\s\d\d:\d\d:\d\d\s<(\w+)>.*/$1/;
+
+    push @lines, $line;
+}
+close INPUT;
+
+#
+# Sort, and remove duplicate lines.
+#
+@lines = sort @lines;
+my @nicks = ($lines[0]);
+for (my $i = 1; $i < @lines; $i++) {
+    push @nicks, $lines[$i] if ($lines[$i] ne $lines[$i-1]);
+}
+
+#
+# Print out.
+#
+
+print <<EOH
+#
+#  Include file with nick colours.
+#
+
+our %colours = qw(
+EOH
+;
+for my $nick (@nicks) {
+   my $col = shift @colours;
+   printf ("%15s   #$col\n", $nick);
+}
+print ");\n";
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+<title>Native Language Confederation</title>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
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+<h1><img style="float: right;" alt="NLC icon" src="http://contributing.openoffice.org/_media/language.png" />Native Language Confederation</h1>
+<p>&nbsp;</p>
+<a href="mailto:louis@openoffice.org">Louis Suárez-Potts</a>, Lead
+<p></p>
+
+<div id="pk-right">
+<h2>Contents</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li><a href="/planet">Our Planet </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#about">About this document </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#mission">Mission statement</a> </li>
+  <li><a href="#notl10n">How do the NLC projects differ from the l10n project? </a> </li>
+  <li><a href="#joining">Joining the NLC </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#guidelines">Project Guidelines </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#moving">Moving from Level I to Level II </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#responsibilities">Responsibilities of Level II projects </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#generalguidelines">General guidelines </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#problems">Problems? Disputes? </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#terminus">Project Terminus</a></li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Links</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li><a href="http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html">How to start a new project </a></li>
+  <li><a
+ href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Templates (for setting up a project)</a> </li>
+  <li><a href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mail lists &amp; archives (all) </a></li>
+  <li><a href="#obligatorylists">Obligatory Lists </a></li>
+  <li><a
+ href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Document &amp; Files</a></li>
+  <li><a href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership (how to change roles) </a></li>
+<li><a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC:ReleaseChecklist">Release Checkist </a></li>
+</ul>
+</div>
+<h2><a name="about"></a>About this document</h2>
+<p>This document looks complicated but it is not. Forming a language project and joining the Native Language Confederation is a simple, three-step process. If you get lost or confused at any point, we are happy to guide you. Enjoy!</p>
+<h2>Mission statement </h2>
+<p>The Native-Language Confederation (NLC) is composed of those projects working on all aspects related to the localization and support of OpenOffice.org, including localization, QA, support, documentation, and marketing. Initially conceptualized and led by Guy Capra, its current mandate is to provide a community wherein those involved in furthering OpenOffice.org in all the world's languages can share resources and information. It is important to note that NLC projects are language not region based. It's equally important to note that we really enjoy what we are doing and think it really important.</p>
+<p>The NLC represents one of the key political elements of the OpenOffice.org Project. Its voice is heard in the <a href="http://council.openoffice.org/">Community Council</a>, via the <a href="http://council.openoffice.org/#nlc">elected members</a> representing the NLC. All developers and other contributors who are members of the NLC are invited to participate in the development projects, and to help create OpenOffice.org. </p>
+<h2><a name="notl10n"></a>How do the NLC projects differ from the l10n project? </h2>
+<p>The NLC projects complement the <a href="http://l10n.openoffice.org/"> l10n project</a>; all actual localization development takes place within the l10n project. The l10n project is a coding project and discussions on the primary list, <a HREF="mailto:dev@l10n.openoffice.org">dev@l10n.openoffice.org</a>, are in English, as they are for all development projects. The NLC projects provide a &quot;home&quot; for developers and other contributors. Mature NLC projects (Level II) work closely not only with the l10n project but also with Marketing and QA, as well as other development projects.</p>
+<h2><a name="joining"></a>Joining the NLC </h2>
+<div>
+  <p>Every new localization initiative is invited to form a specific localization project and join the NLC. There are two levels of NLC projects, I, and II. All NLC projects working on localizations (some may only be providing support), regardless of their level, are listed both on the <a href="http://l10n.openoffice.org/languages.html">l10n project languages page</a> and on the <a href="http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html">NLC projects page</a>. The project's level is marked on this page.</p>
+  <ul>
+    <li>Level I: Localization only. Responsible for issuing and QA'ing, if possible, localized builds.</li>
+    <li>Level II: Support, documentation, marketing, localization. Responsible for localized builds, QA, as well as related information and marketing. </li>
+  </ul>
+  <p><strong>To learn how to start a new NLC project, see the <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html">Protocols for Project Proposal</a>. </strong></p>
+</div>
+<h2><a name="guidelines" id="guidelines"></a>Project Guidelines</h2>
+<div>
+  <ol>
+    <li><strong>Project creation.</strong> We have to create the project for you. There are some considerations, such as the name.
+      <ul>
+        <li>Projects should be named by the two letters composing the ISO code for the language (not country). If there is no ISO code available, then a combination of two other letters should be made, provided that no conflict with an existing project name nor any other ISO code for language should exist. </li>
+      </ul>
+    </li>
+    <ul>
+      <li>In some cases the ISO code for a language is not known or familiar to the people speaking the language, to the point where such a code would hinder the ability of the new project to attract volunteers (i.e., lack of identification, knowledge and advertising of the project). Provided that no conflict with an existing project name nor any ISO code for language should exist, the new project can choose its own code. However this project cannot choose its code on a geographical basis only; that is the project cannot name itself only according to the country criteria. In case of dispute the NLC leads will name the project themselves. </li>
+    </ul>
+    <li><strong>Content</strong>. The <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html">Protocols</a> give guidelines on content for all projects. But for Level II projects, and for those projects focused on support and documentation only, there are templates you are encouraged to use (and enhance). These are located in the Files and Documents section of the NLC homepage, <a href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList</a>.
+      <div>
+        <ul>
+          <li> We ask that you use CSS when possible. For guidelines and information on how the OpenOffice.org web infrastructure (SourceCast) works, please read the general Style Guide, <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/styles/">http://www.openoffice.org/styles/</a>. As well, don't hesitate to use the site help in on the left navbar after you log .</li>
+        </ul>
+      </div>
+    </li>
+  </ol>
+</div>
+<h2><a name="moving"></a>Moving from Level I to Level II</h2>
+<p>Moving from Level I to II is a significant undertaking but it is worth it. Once a NLC project has deemed itself to be mature, the lead should send a note to <a HREF="mailto:dev@native-lang.openoffice.org">dev@native-lang.openoffice.org</a> indicating the desire and ability. The NLC lead and co-lead must approve of the move prior to its being formally included as a Level II project. Upon approval, the NLC project will be listed as offering a supported localization on the OpenOffice.org homepage, <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/">http://www.openoffice.org/</a>, and its new status will be reflected on the other relevant pages. </p>
+<h2><a name="responsibilities"></a>Responsibilities of Level II projects</h2>
+<div>
+  <p>Level II projects are centers of community and activity.&nbsp; They offer support to users of OpenOffice.org, coordinate development, marketing, and help in the QA (testing and quality assurance) of the file.&nbsp; In this way, they ensure their community that the product fully meets their needs.&nbsp; The process for QA'ing OpenOffice.org is explained in the <a href="http://qa.openoffice.org/localized/">QA Project localization pages</a>.&nbsp; Ideally, all localized files should be QA'd and the status of the QA'ing should be indicated on the <a href="http://qatrack.services.openoffice.org/view.php">QA Track</a> page.&nbsp; If you need information or assistance in setting up a QA effort for localized builds, send a note to <a href="mailto:dev@native-lang.openoffice.org">dev@native-lang.openoffice.org</a>. </p>
+  <p>Marketing OpenOffice.org is a complex affair. Much of it is done locally.&nbsp; However, it is important to coordinate both with other members of the NLC as well as with the overall <a href="http://marketing.openoffice.org/">Marketing Project</a>, which hosts the MarCon list for global marketing notices. It is especially important to synchronize work around the time of new releases. To find out <em>when</em> a release is due, check with the <a href="mailto:releases@openoffice.org">releases@openoffice.org</a> list. For marketing, we also use <a href="mailto:com@native-lang.openoffice.org">com@native-lang.openoffice.org</a>.</p>
+  <p><strong>Note</strong>: All Level II project leads (and co-leads) must be subscribed to <a href="mailto:dev@native-lang.openoffice.org">dev@native-lang.openoffice.org</a>. We hold general discussions on this list.</p>
+</div>
+<h2><a name="generalguidelines"></a>General Guidelines for NLC projects</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Level I project engaged in localization only are obligated to use the l10n development list, <a href="mailto:dev@l10n.openoffice.org">dev@l10n.openoffice.org</a>. They are also urged to use the l10n Issue Tracker. As needed, more components are made available. The point is to locate, as much as possible, all OpenOffice.org material on the OpenOffice.org website.</li>
+  <li>On occasion, we understand that it is impossible for a NLC project to use the provided mail lists and other tools. In these cases, we ask that the project provide monthly (once a month) updates of activity and accomplishments, as well as links to the active project on the OpenOffice.org website.</li>
+  <li>For those projects engaged in QA, they should follow the guidelines stipulated on the QA project related to localizations. These are listed here: <a HREF="http://qa.openoffice.org/localized/index.html">http://qa.openoffice.org/localized/index.html</a></li>
+  <li>All Level II NLC projects should,<strong> at least once a month</strong>, post a brief status report on ongoing activities to <a href="mailto:dev@l10n.openoffice.org">dev@native-lang.openoffice.org</a>.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2><a name="terminus"></a>Project terminus </h2>
+<p>Sometimes interest dies in a project. If a NLC project has been inactive&mdash;no localization, no significant mail list activity, no visible work&mdash;for six (6) months, the NLC lead, Louis Suarez-Potts, will begin the process of closing the project. We begin this process only after having endeavored to contact the lead(s) and try otherwise to revive the project. If nothing works, due warnings will be issued, and the project will be closed; but we will make every effort to preserve valuable material.</p>
+<h2><a name="problems"></a>Problems? Disputes?</h2>
+<div>
+  <p>For any sort of problem encountered in setting up or managing the project, please contact the leads of NLC and the discussion list, dev@native-lang.openoffice.org. </p>
+  <p>Disputes sometimes arise. The <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/guidelines.html">OpenOffice.org Guidelines</a> suggest how disputes related to management and leadership are to be resolved. Disputes should be settled first within the particular project.</p>
+  <p> Most changes in leadership are peaceable. In cases of disputes, the project members should set up a vote (the +1 /-1 process is recommended but not required). If a qualified majority of the registered members of the native-lang project agree on their lead's dismissal, the project's lead will have lost his or her position.</p>
+  <p> <strong>Note</strong>: As with any project on OpenOffice.org, all NLC project members are entitled to bring grievances before the Community Council. To do so, they should submit the grievance as an agenda item to the <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/The_OpenOffice.org_Community_Council_Agenda">wiki</a>.</p>
+</div>
+<h2><a name="obligatorylists"></a>Obligatory Mail Lists</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>We use <a
+ href="mailto:dev@native-lang.openoffice.org">dev@native-lang.openoffice.org</a> for internal discussion, and decisions </li>
+  <li>We use <a href="mailto:com@native-lang.openoffice.org">com@native-lang.openoffice.org</a>&nbsp; for marketing related discussions. See also the Marketing Project homepage for more information on marketing.</li>
+</ul>
+<p>The subscription to these two lists is mandatory if you are a native-lang project lead.</p>
+<ul>
+  <li>
+    <p><a
+ href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">All other lists and archives </a> </p>
+  </li>
+</ul>
+<p>&nbsp;</p>
+<hr />
+$Date: 2010/11/04 19:36:00 $ $Revision: 1.46 $
+<p>&nbsp;</p>
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