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Subject svn commit: r1196049 [5/13] - in /incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content: about/ about/__modules/ native-lang/ native-lang/conference/ native-lang/conference/img/ native-lang/conference/instructions/ native-lang/conference/instructions/img/ native-lang/c...
Date Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:21:53 GMT
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+<html>
+  <title>IRC talk</title>
+<body>
+<h1>IRC Conference log</h1>
+<h2>
+  <!-- Talk title <br />
+       Speaker name <br />
+       Download slides <br /> -->
+</h2>
+
+<!--  ====================  -->
+<!--       LOG STARTS       -->
+<!--  ====================  -->
+
+<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>While Christian is downloading, I'll start.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Topic of the talk is "Why am I here" ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>if you have a look at slide 2 (Content), ther is, what I want to speak about</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>1st short but important point: why i choose this topic</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>after that I like to speak a little about me (in fact the complete talk is more or less about me)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>The main part is then, what reasons I had to join the OOo community, what I expected</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and after all .. what I have achieved (and learned)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>If you have any questions, please feel free to interrupt me and ask</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>let's move on to slide 3 "Why did I choose this topic?"</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>many people wonder, why somebody is volunteering within a open source project ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and there are many theories about this "why"</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>even within the OOo community we often came across this question, but we never answered in detail</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>in fact ... I don't think, that we would be able to answer this question ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>But as it seems important to me, I'd like to talk about my reasons, just to get (hopefully) feedback about other people</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. other people's reasons</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Move on to slide 4 - some words about me</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ok, these are just some facts</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. not realy that important, just to tell, that you are speaking with someone, who is addicted to computers ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: Andre, you still have the Atari?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: Are you still in Switzerland?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju: yes .. it still (or again) here (beside two other atari ST's and some game consoles)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: yepp, I am.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cool</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>at the moment it's a little cold here ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but .. let's move on to slide 5 and get closer to software and open source</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:), nice.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I've been fascinated by the public doamin software scene for a long time</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(this is related to the Atari ST's .. great scene there)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I startet to code some smaller programms and share the code</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but .. for larger software I've been only a user - a user of free software for a long time</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but I'm not, what you might call a "evangelist" (that means .. I still use windows)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>the first OS-project with a little more involvement was PostgreSQL (a real great Database)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and it was fun to see Justin Clift here at the OOo project (as I knew im fromm PostgreSQL by name)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>But still ... I have been a user, notmuch more ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>and around 2001 / 2002 I felt, this was not enough</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and I was looking for opportunities to contribute back</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>sooo .. move on to slide 6</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>quite at this time, I came across OpenOffice.org (I never used StarOffice before .. I really started with OOo)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>And . there were some reasones, why it seemed interesting to contribute to OpenOffice.org</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>first - I've been fascinated by the complexity of the software and the project</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(I've been coding makros / projects with MS Office .. so ... I have respect for Office Software developers and users)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>REally interesting to me was, how the community deals with end users (I'll come later to this, why i think, this is special)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>and .. the tipping point was my first installation of OOo 1.0</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>the story in short is at the slides (and this is one, how Open Source should work)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>by the way ... thanks to Eric Hoch, who was the one to care about my "first problem" ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>my reasons .. what I would like to achive: move on to slide 7</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>First - I've been really impresst, how easy it was to fin help with technical (oo end user) problems.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>So .. I'd just liked to help other people and say thanks that way.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>But I thought, I could learn a lot within the community (in fact everybody can learn a lot of things here)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>As I'm a trained software developer I've been interested in the open source development process (if there is any .. seems often chaotic from outside)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Than .. how does this "Community-thing" work? What is this .. how can people claim to be a community, even without knowing each other?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and .. well there was the question, if it is possible to become know by working in and for this community</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>the only thing I didn't want to do here was coding</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(as I'm coding in my profession, I don't want to do the same in spare time)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>interesting</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I was just about to ask, if everybody is still awake ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>thanks, Daniel :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Ok .. so much for my reasons .. and why I have joined.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #088'>IcoBgr</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>yes</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Now .. some words to what I achieved (or think, I have learned)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. or are there any questions so far?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>for me, no :)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ok .. so let's go to slide 8</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>That's what i did so far within the community</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I think, this is more or less typical, if you don't write code</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>it is not that much .. but there are a lot of activities you can help with, even without coding</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and all are important</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>the last point is that, what now becomes more and more important to me.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>im more and more interested in the people .. thot that much in the software itself ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: Andre, as most of us probably know you were in leading positions and now are the qa lead. Why did you choose to take the responsibility for such big projects? </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>But .. it's fun, if youmeet great people, working on a great software and contributing here</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju: wait a little .. this will be at the "selfish slide"</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S, Thanks to cloph and pl, they also resolved an issue for me in amazingly short period of time.  However, it seems some issues just remain stagnant for multiple years, since you are a developer in your profession, do you have opinions on how to make it seem the open source developers are less resistant to end user suggestions? The time ranges on bug/issue reporting to fixes vary from a few days to years.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: belive mie .. this is not an oen source problem. professional developers are as resistant to end user problems as free developers are</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ups, ok ;).</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. but for Open Source project this is more a problem than for the professional project</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>as open source projects need to turn users into developers (or contributors) ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and if users are becoming upset, it's unlikely, they will turn into developers</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: another problem with "ever open" issues might be special to OOo ... sorry to say that, but it's or largest contributor (in some way)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: but .. the answer I could give is, that we need to bring users and developers closer together (and some pople here at the community are constantly working on that)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ok .. let's go to slide 9 .. what (I think) I have learned about open source development</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and processes</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>first .. you don't need processes for all and everything ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Some things just happen</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(and that is somewhat blocked wihtin OOo, just as many people see, that we have one big contributor .. and it seems we don'T need that much other contriutors)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>which processes are better than in a propietary environment?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: qa (indeed)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ok</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cool</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but .. I really think, QA is better, as it ranges from picking up user feedback</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. through specification ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. to to release testing ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>it's not perfect in all stages .. but at least we have covered most of the stages</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Drake2 said we need to bring users and developers closer together (and some pople here at the community are constantly working on that)  I hope that there will be some exploration of this.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>actually, Andre_S said that in his reply</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Sorry, I'm new to this irc business</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: Don't worry, you're not the only one :).</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: just to give one example ... at ther german user lists, we have the luck to have some core developers answering user questions there</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: welcome to IRC :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thanks.  I don't see that in the English lists</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but targeted timelines or deadlines for easily fixed issues and proper assignment of developer resources to achieve that would help a great deal I think.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: another thing is working with IssueZilla ... people should be polite there .. and .. if they are not, we will have (again) discussions about it at the qa-lists</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: it's not that easy, to assign ressources in an open source project :-(</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #080'>BeDipp</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Another point are Issues: look at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43146 - that wouldn't hace happened in closed source</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #50a'>butibum</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw:dba-users are lucky to have Frank Schönheit (English list)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: this is more easy to companies like microsoft, as they can calculate the money</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: Most core developers are German.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>BeDipp: this issue has happened, as it is the default behaviour in a closed software product :-(</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Perhaps IssueZilla is part of the problem.  I, as a newcomer, find it horrendous.  Responding to Daniel, my German is too primitive to discuss anything</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: responding to Daniel Rentz?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: but most developers understand English :)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: resmonding to my comment that most core developers are German.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #080'>BeDipp</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: I didn't mean the content - the way to convince devellopers is unique IMHO</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Does anyone know how many core developers there are in total for the whole project or each module?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: yes there is "anybody" ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(but I don't think he / she is here at the channel)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Well, I mean people that actually get stuck with a lot of time consuming coding work</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: 80-ish from Sun and 20-ish from Novell in total.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>sounds reasonable</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #50a'>butibum</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>are there other parttimers writing patches that get accepted into the code?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>for about 11,000 open issues</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>cjw: I can only agree with you, Issuezilla is a very complicated and confusing tool.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>butibum: yes, there are others .. but not many</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>butibum: there certainly are.#</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I also think IZ is really complicated.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I'm not following IZ?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>IssueZilla</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thanks</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #50a'>butibum</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>how would then MS handle the IZ question ie how does an open source issue based system differ from that used by proprietary companies?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ok .. another thing 've learned about Open Source development: tools are often complicated</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>butibum: not that much</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #50a'>butibum</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>sorry OT</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>proprietary companies you usually end up arguiing with them over the phone, paying them a huge maintenance fee and still not have them do anything </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>butibum: but within microsoft, only trained employees work with this system .. but as we are open for every one, everybody has access to IZ</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #50a'>butibum</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>which could actually say something about how OSS works?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>just a question: Does anyone know about other bug-tracking tools in the OpenSource world that are easier to use? If I see bug tracking systems, they very much resemble ours (mozilla, opendarwin)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju: there should be some .. but I don't know them :-(</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju:  http://website.openoffice.org/tryouts/dcarrera/miniZilla/</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju:  Just as a demonstration of what's possible.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I've had a little experience, as a reporter with Python, which uses SourceForge.  It's much easier to use.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>/me is trying to go back to the slides ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>maybe some questions might be answered with the next slide ... slide 10</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>If openoffice.org had a knowledge base type of thing in addition to issuezilla, that would work well</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Of course, you can only learn about the community, if you are part of the community (all other things are imho stupid)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: There is a monthly announcement on the users list and authors telling people that it exists.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>why isnt it hosted at openoffice.org and readily apparent?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but .. we are just in the middle of one of the key point about a opne source community ....</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>..it's diversity ... diversitiy is great, as people are free to do what they want</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: Ask again later.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but diversity becomes a problem if people need to focus on one topic ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>we have so many people within our community, so many ideas and ways to contribute ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>it is great to have tham, but sometimes difficult to get something concrete out of it</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(like this "one special issue")</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but if you look at the goals of the community in general, they would be achieved</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. slide 11 .. I think, we can go fast over it ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. as we just have discussed a little about it</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre... wait a second.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ok</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>questions?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: What is a 'strong enough' community for you and what do you think are the main goals of the OOo community as a whole? </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>hm .. "strong enough" tome means, if a community does not depend on single persons</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #37a'>pseudo_daoist</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>The "New User" v "Established Community" split can be seen clearly in the adoption/replacement of MSOffice errors, instead of working solutions that OOo has had/could have.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>pseudo_daoist: right ... it often escalates in such questions.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but if you talk to rather new members ... you will often hear, that we need to care much more about them</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but I don't see much happening to do that.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>copying the precedence of the unary minus over exponentiation is a good example of copying a MSOffice error</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I rather focus on "established members" .. but get often criticiezed for that</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>OOo has a very strong split between "new members" and "old members". Some people have complained that I am "too new" even though I've been around for 2 years.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>This shouldn't be.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: i expected, that this would come ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>you are right, that shouldn't be.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: That is poison for OpenSource projects, in my opinion.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I cannot give a perfect solution for that (I think nobody can)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>the only thing we might try is not to take too many things personal</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>In other FOSS projects (Ruby and Mono) I was "part of the group" very quickly.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>So it's not a problem general to FOSS.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Would it help if I outlined how things are handled in the Python world?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: I've been "part of the group" within a couple of months</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: I'm glad. That's more like it should be.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: So there is hope :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: there always is hope ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. but .. I agree .. OOo tends keep new members a little outside</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>but often this is not bad will ....</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. it is just, that "old members" hav thought already about a lot of things and cannot discuss this on and on</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(but that's just how i see it)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>It becomes really a problem, if it get's personal and you forget to work for the project ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: I think it's good to get a fresh look at things and you dont get from the "old members" since they already have become used to many things, it's from new users.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>that is good in my opinion, if the new members do not see something in an appropriate light, older members can correct them quickly. The exception being when there becomes resistance to fixing issues affecting UI and work flow.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I agree. New ideas are important.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>That's supposed to be one of the virtues of open source.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: I still agree with what you said btw.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: And that's why we need to respect new users as we would the ones we have been dealing with for a much longer time.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>And that's one of the reasons, whi I think, Open Source communities should not focus too moch on single persons</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(although it is great to have strong contributors within a community)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>may we move on to slide 12?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>sure :)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Ok .. the selfish thing ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. just, as I do some things here, because *I* like it :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Very important IMHO ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>So .. my initial ideas were .. how to become known .. or finding acceptance</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>to answer the question of christianju: being responsible for a larger project is some kind of acceptance</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>by becoming the lead :))</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>you got it ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>So .. have been Co Lead at the germanophone project (after a rather short time of about 6 months within the project)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and now being project lead a qa (although I think, other people might be more qualified than I am)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. otuside the project .. there are just some things, that are really fun to me</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>whe I was at CeBit Hannover, somebody cam across, bringing greetings from turkey (from Görkem)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>or after a presentation at Linuxtag Karlsruhe, one visitor sttod up ..</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and said "I have no question, I just wanted to say Thank you" ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(not me in particular, but the project, for implementing XForms)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Btw: this is seomething, that is well appreciated by developers ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(hint for new users)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>and .. after all .. it's interesting to meet people from other projects</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>if it was, because they do also contribute to OOo or if they are interested, how Ooo works or if you just meet them at events</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>*uff* .. I think ... I've talked a little long .. sorry for that</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. now just one slide is left.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and that's the slide with people, I like to thank, because I worked a little closer with them ...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>and all of them helped *me*</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Hey! My name is there!</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-D</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thank you Andre.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>thank you too Andre_S</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>So .. hanks to all those people, as well as to all the people that build that "commnity thing" ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>There are more names on the list... Thanks, André</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. and thanks to all of you for listening ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>it was really interesting, André</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #5a0'>cjw</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>THanks to Andre for his thoughts</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>clap clap clap clap clap clap clap </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Very good talk.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>yes.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>It certainly got a lot of us thinking :)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Hey .. so I got, what I wanted ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>For those new here: Now is the supposed "question and answer" period.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>so ask :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Any questions (that culd be answered now) ?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I have a comment, not a question. One of the reasons I work at OOo is because the project is so broad. There are so many /different/ things to do.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>what are your goals within the ooo community? ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I mentioned that I worked with Ruby and Mono.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>But to be honest, I got bored after a few months.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>With OOo, if I get bored of something and want to do something else, I can /still/ make it relate to OOo.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Whether it's web page design, documentation, drawing, QA, or whatever.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>And that's why I managed to stay at OOo.  :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I work at OOo to get to know more people ;) and because nobody can "shut up"-me like some of those american interviewers can ;).</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: it's the same with me ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>(comment)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju: own expiriences with american interviewers?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #088'>IcoBgr</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I have a Q about QA process. What have it to include? There is some automation tests with testool and some instructions tests. Which one have to be used?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>IcoBgr: it's just in discussion, as it is to complicated (imho) at the moment</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: What are your goals within the ooo-community? (see above)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>IcuBgr: see issue 53051</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #088'>IcoBgr</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: Also, I have some dificulties with adoptiong autotest for our language. Can it possible to have some instructions how can it be done?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=53051</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>IcoBgr: could you ask this at dev@qa? Devvelopers of the testtool and of the scripts are there</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #088'>IcoBgr</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Andre_S: ok</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #800'>Andre_S</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju: at the moment .. meeting people</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #088'>IcoBgr</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>ups</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Well, at least that didn't happen mid-way through the talk...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>He'll be back.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #088'>IcoBgr</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:) T4</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>nice to meet you guys and get your thoughts. Bye!</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Bye christian :)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>oops, a bit too quick.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>There he is...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>eskroni: Thanks for reminding me.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>no problem :)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. sorry for leaving this fast :-(</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>when you've used the power-off switch, than you were back really fast...</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>hte last question I saw was by christianju .. was the answer sufficient?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>eskroni: it does a clean shut down ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>well .. other questions left?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: you had a question.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drawke2: The OOo website only provides a system called SourceCast and IssueZilla.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: It is not *capable* of hosting a knowledge base like the one I showed you.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thalion72: sure.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: Though it could certainly be better advertised on the site. There could be links from the support page for example.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: Would you be willing to file an issue about this, and tell people on the website list that this is important to you? I would be happy to vote for the issue and join in the discussion.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>*sigh* ... the problem is, that it is not that important to me</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thailon72: fair enough :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>It doesn't have to be.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>.. it was important, if other people are willing to care about integration to the Oo website (what means, they would at least file an issue)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I was just suggesting a course of action to drake2 if the issue is important to him.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #880'>TonyPool</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thanks for an interesting talk and chat. It makes me feel I should join in more. Perhaps head for the qa project. But it won't be for a while.  Right now I have to be off for my dinner, Thanks all!</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #080'>BeDipp</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>That's one of our chances - different opinions and the possibility to convince one another</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #080'>BeDipp</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>But we have to keep in mind, that we need new members to become developpers (in André's wider sense)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>let's say contributors ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #080'>BeDipp</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>my translations are poor sometimes ;-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #50a'>butibum</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>André thanks for an interesting talk, keep up the good work. CUL</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>CU</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Well .. it seems, I have to leave.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC: do you have the log?</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thank you for the talk Andre.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Yes, I do.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I'll send you an HTML formatted version today.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>As well as Sigrid's.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>:)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thank you for putting them up on the website, since my SSH problem isn't resolved yet.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #808'>Thalion72</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Ok, thanks again to you all ... and bye</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #080'>BeDipp</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thanks a lot, André</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #080'>BeDipp</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>good bye</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>Thanks André</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>DanielC, it is linked from support already</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: Excellent. :-)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #05a'>christianju</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>eskroni: m ay I go now? :-))</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>That's good t oknow.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>that's good to know.</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a73'>drake2</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>I was just playing around with it, thinking it should have sections to limit searches, but now that I looked at MindMeld docs, it works much simpler than that</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #fee'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #a37'>eskroni</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>christianju: You needn't to ask me... if you want, you can leave, or you can stay a bit longer :)</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr style='background: #eef'>
+  <td style='font-weight: 900; text-align: right; vertical-align: top'>
+    [<span style=' color: #008'>DanielC</span>]
+  </td>
+  <td>drake2: Are you interested in contacting the maintainer and helping out?</td>
+ </tr>
+</table>
+</body>
+</html>

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