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From conflue...@apache.org
Subject [CONF] Apache OpenOffice.org Community > Changes integrate the forums into the AOOo project
Date Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:11:00 GMT
Space: Apache OpenOffice.org Community (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS)
Page: Changes integrate the forums into the AOOo project (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project)
Comment: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project?focusedCommentId=27827050#comment-27827050

Comment added by Christian Grobmeier:
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Peter,

ICLA: if you are a committer, you need a signed cla. There is no other way. You can't get
an account without it. The only way we can probably avoid it is if volunteers are not committers.
They have no binding vote on pmc nominations because they cannot become a PMC without being
committer. But of course there is nothing wrong when the committers/pmc from the forum respect
the voices of the volunteers. I have seen many "votes" in which users expressed their opinions
and the pmc accepted it as they would have binding votes. But they cannot have access to the
private-ooo list and of course have no binding vote. 

If that is OK for you, I can change back the proposal to: volunteers are contributors with
extended rights whos votes might be respected by the active forum committers/pmcs.

Hidden forums: we have already discussed this somewhere on the en forum; we have agreed to
make the old ones read only and open new ones which is public. I agree there are only a few
people who might be interested in this, but with exception of the private lists, which are
used for sensitive discussion only, everything is open.
I think link i mentioned is: http://bit.ly/qjfKbp


In reply to a comment by Peter Roelofsen:
No, I don't agree at all. The ICLA is a statement in which you non-exclusively license Apache
to use your work. But the rights that volunteers have beyond registered users have nothing
to do with that work. Volunteers can read the management forums and they can post and vote
in them. But as you will have seen, the number of posts in the management forums is insignificant
in comparison to the total number of posts in the forums.
The management forums were hidden, not because the staff felt that they had something shameful
to hide, but because they felt that nothing of what's discussed there is interesting for people
who visit the forum to ask a question. Seriously, most people would have better things to
do than read those forums.
I feel that before we decide to spend much time to come to an agreement we should ask somebody
who is good at legal stuff if all of this discussion is even necessary. I don't object to
signing a kind of contract with Apache that relates to what I'm doing as admin and moderator
at the Dutch forum, but I feel that the ICLA is not about those activities at all. As a moderator
and admin I have the power to delete and edit posts by other people at will, and nobody but
the original poster may notice it, and there's nothing in the ICLA about that kind of thing.
That's a serious shortcoming.


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