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From conflue...@apache.org
Subject [CONF] Apache OpenOffice.org Community > Changes integrate the forums into the AOOo project
Date Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:25:00 GMT
Space: Apache OpenOffice.org Community (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS)
Page: Changes integrate the forums into the AOOo project (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project)
Comment: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project?focusedCommentId=27827054#comment-27827054

Comment added by Peter Roelofsen:
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I understand all that. 
My comment about the hidden forums was somewhat off-topic, and it clearly misled you. Sorry
about that.
The forums are "run" by a group of people who don't think in hierarchical terms. There are
a few moderators because the forums need some housekeeping, not because the moderators were
power hungry, and most of the moderating is about moving topics to the proper sub forum, tagging
thread titles as solved when appropriate or changing a title to make it match the subject
(Don't you hate "I need help!!!"?), and they are very reluctant to change actual content,
even if the post contains rather bad language. They don't feel that they're a class apart.
So they want to take decisions together with other people who are committed to the forum,
but who don't need or don't want a moderator's power. You should really read most of the discussions
from the last few years that aren't about phpbb updates. Then you will find out how the forums
really work.
I'd like it if others would join the discussion here before "we" come to any agreements -
I don't represent the other volunteers and mods/admins, I'm just presenting my point of view.
But I don't have a problem with "volunteers are contributors with extended rights whos votes
might be respected by the active forum committers/pmcs." And I want to repeat that I feel
that the ICLA doesn't cover the activities of admins and moderators.
My objections to the ICLA for the forum staff, including the volunteers are:
1. The ICLA doesn't cover all of their activities, especially the power of mods and admins
to edit/delete posts and entire topics.
2. Their other activities, except posting in the management forums, don't differ from the
activities of other people who answer questions but don't post so often.
Take 1 and 2 together and you get a nice picture: the moderators and admins sign an agreement
that doesn't cover all of their activities, and they share the activities that it does cover
with many people who don't have to sign it. I don't want to continue this discussion without
my lawyer. ;)

In reply to a comment by Christian Grobmeier:
Peter,

ICLA: if you are a committer, you need a signed cla. There is no other way. You can't get
an account without it. The only way we can probably avoid it is if volunteers are not committers.
They have no binding vote on pmc nominations because they cannot become a PMC without being
committer. But of course there is nothing wrong when the committers/pmc from the forum respect
the voices of the volunteers. I have seen many "votes" in which users expressed their opinions
and the pmc accepted it as they would have binding votes. But they cannot have access to the
private-ooo list and of course have no binding vote. 

If that is OK for you, I can change back the proposal to: volunteers are contributors with
extended rights whos votes might be respected by the active forum committers/pmcs.

Hidden forums: we have already discussed this somewhere on the en forum; we have agreed to
make the old ones read only and open new ones which is public. I agree there are only a few
people who might be interested in this, but with exception of the private lists, which are
used for sensitive discussion only, everything is open.
I think link i mentioned is: http://bit.ly/qjfKbp


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