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From "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
Subject RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Date Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:25:46 GMT
Hi All,

this vote will close in a few hours.

Still waiting for information to come in regarding affiliations of :

Roman Bogorodskiy, Jeremiah Orem, Ivan Meredith.

I note also that of those, Roman and Ivan do not seem to be subscribed
to the private list. Someone should poke the to get both done today.

Gav...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gav... [mailto:gavin@16degrees.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 7:34 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Woods [mailto:woodstae@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 5:08 AM
> > To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> >
> > Gav, I updated the committer list with my information.  I committed
> the
> > change... hoping to see the site updated shortly.
> 
> Thanks Eric,
> 
> One last thing to do was , log into people.apache.org and:
> 
> [gmcdonald@minotaur:~]$ svn up /www/incubator.apache.org/
> U    /www/incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html
> Updated to revision 1041178.
> 
> So should appear in an hour or so.
> 
> Gav...
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric W.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
> > >> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <gavin@16degrees.com.au>
> > wrote:
> > >>> Hi All,
> > >>>
> > >>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> > >>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> > >>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> > >>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> > >>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> > >>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> > >>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> > >>>
> > >>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> > >>>
> > >>> This vote will close one week from today.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gav...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
> > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> > >> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
> > >> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > > Well, let's bring those reasons here:
> > >
> > > Quote: "...
> > >
> > > [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt
> here.
> > > Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
> > > demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
> > > leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
> > >
> > > [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling
> > that the
> > > libcloud
> > > community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see
> not
> > > just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
> > > nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
> > > hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
> > > graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
> > >
> > > [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not
> > seeing
> > > much
> > > evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What
> > do
> > > mentors/others think about this?
> > >
> > > ..."
> > >
> > > I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
> > >
> > > [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox
> > area is
> > > fine for
> > > the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they
> did.
> > Mainly
> > > one person
> > > works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The
> > whole of a
> > > projects
> > > code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
> > > incubator. Accepting
> > > the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be
> > developed
> > > shows
> > > that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
> > >
> > > [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty
> of
> > other
> > > podlings that
> > > graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I
> > know
> > > plenty of
> > > Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am
> involved
> > with
> > > one such project.
> > > Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate
> > prospective
> > > committers, again not
> > > a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been
> > delayed for.
> > > Commit diversity:
> http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1
> > shows
> > > 16 committers - yes
> > > Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less
> than
> > half
> > > total commits. Again
> > > I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than
> > double
> > > the next person, and
> > > especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way
> it
> > is,
> > > nothing to worry
> > > about IMHO.
> > > I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements
> > to a
> > > point. It is up to the
> > > Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if
> > they are
> > > not being met. We
> > > have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does
> show
> > that
> > > the project in the
> > > main has been moving along by itself.
> > >
> > > As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see
> > that I
> > > would like addressed
> > > is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor
> > please edit
> > > the document
> > > at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down
> > your
> > > employer if your
> > > employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply
> > write
> > > 'independent' beside
> > > your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
> > >
> > > [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something
> > that
> > > might or might not
> > > happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the
> > project or
> > > the knowledge
> > > of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be
> > wrong to
> > > hold a -1 to
> > > graduation based on this.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am
> satisfied
> > with
> > > the project and its
> > > committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps
> > being a
> > > little too strict
> > > though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a
> more
> > > liberal view of the
> > > incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects
> that
> > I know
> > > to have graduated
> > > or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little
> lazy
> > on the
> > > paperwork.
> > >
> > > If I see that the
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html
> > page
> > > gets updated correctly
> > > as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be
> forthcoming.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gav...
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>   ...ant
> > >
> > >
> 
> 




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