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From "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
Subject RE: [libcloud] Graduation Vote?
Date Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:35:41 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Querna [mailto:paul@querna.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2010 5:23 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [libcloud] Graduation Vote?
> 
> I DO want the Java codebase to part of libcloud -- What I said before
> was that it MAY or MAY NOT grow into a larger, multi-committer,
> sustainable project. Today it isn't, I want it to grow, but I don't
> think it should hold up leaving incubation.

Right, it will move with the rest of the project and a java release
will come when its ready.

I think we are all agreed. Let's start the vote.

We will need to pass our own vote first, then give the rest of the 
Incubator PMC a chance to vote also.

Gav...

> 
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Eric Woods <woodstae@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ant... I see what you're saying about a temporary holding place.  I'm
> okay with the Java base remaining in sandbox until the lack of support
> Paul refers to is addressed (test cases, more involvement, etc).
> >
> > It is true that Paul is the primary maintainer of the python base.
>  Given this, I'm surprised at his opposition to incubating the Java
> code here.  The Java initiative represents an opportunity for the
> libcloud project, not a competitor or extra overhead; an opportunity
> for more growth, involvement, and language options for people looking
> to use libcloud's services.  This all helps raise awareness around the
> libcloud "brand."  The two implementations can benefit from each other.
>  The python community is now expressing interest in extending libcloud
> to support storage services.  I've already chartered a course for
> storage support in the Java base, and I believe the python code can
> leverage this work.
> >
> > Perhaps we should develop a plan of what to do with the Java stuff as
> checkpoints are reached.
> >
> > - Eric
> >
> > On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:50 AM, ant elder wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Paul Querna <paul@querna.org> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:24 PM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> It would be good to see more of a course set on what to do with
> the
> >>>> Java support. There hasn't been consensus on what to do with it so
> >>>> showing the project can handle that would be good before
> graduation.
> >>>
> >>> It hasn't attracted a diverse committer base.
> >>>
> >>> It hasn't been reviewed on a technical level.
> >>>
> >>> It hasn't been released (or had vetting with RAT).
> >>>
> >>> It is in a sandbox area. That is it's state.
> >>>
> >>> The Python side of libcloud is gaining absolutely zero by remaining
> in
> >>> the Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> The Java side is just a young project which may die, or may grow,
> and
> >>> I certainly hope for the former, but I am not sure how that is
> related
> >>> to the community we have today remaining in the Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> Many TLPs grow communities in different products as they mature,
> and
> >>> as long as we are comfortable with the makeup of the PMC, and trust
> >>> them to know what to do, I don't believe the current situation with
> >>> Java support is a problem for graduation.
> >>>
> >>> The Incubator is about education of people and IP clearance --
> trust
> >>> the people to do the right things, and the IP situation has long
> been
> >>> clear for Libcloud.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
> >> Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
> >> demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
> >> leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me. But
> even
> >> if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
> libcloud
> >> community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not
> >> just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
> >> nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
> >> hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
> >> graduation requirements are and why they've been met. If for some
> >> reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not seeing much
> >> evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What
> do
> >> mentors/others think about this?
> >>
> >>   ...ant
> >
> >



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