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To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [libcloud] Java Skeleton Available

All,

Let's all agree to disagree and put a moratorium on the mention of IBM, =
jclouds, and Cloudkick in this thread.

Please, take it to your inboxes or offline so we don't say anything we =
will regret.

That being said -- and getting back on topic -- I suggest that =
libcloud-java (libcloud-c, libcloud-erlang, libcloud-qbasic or =
whatever!) is hosted in a separate repository (GitHub, etc).

Or, fork it to a completely different name.

In any case, it can grow organically with us (us as in the Libcloud =
community), and we can all get back to writing code!

Thanks,
Jerry

On May 20, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Paul Querna wrote:

> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Adrian Cole <ferncam1@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>> Paul,
>>=20
>> Since this is about java more than python, which is what libcloud is =
to
>> date, I'm speaking up.
>>=20
>> The only party concerned outwardly with turning libcloud into java is =
IBM,
>> which is why I raise to the surface this context.  There is a lot of
>> backdoor discussions I have heard about that I could mention, so =
let's not
>> go there.
>=20
> No, lets go there.
>=20
> There has not been any backdoor collusion between Cloudkick and IBM.
> I am very very tired of your continued allusions to this.
>=20
> All that has ever happened, is some people from IBM asked Alex Polvi
> if a libcloud port to java was possible -- Alex did the right thing
> and said its possible, be active in the community, talk about it, and
> submit patches.   There is no secret Cloudkick + IBM Cabal trying to
> take over the Java world with our impressive Apache libcloud project.
>=20
> There is no secret room at Cloudkick or IBM where we wrote all the
> code, or where we decided to do anything. Nothing.
>=20
>> If you guys want to allow IBM to skip the incubator process, and hand =
them
>> the keys.. just do it.  At least that would be transparent.
>=20
> This has absolutely nothing to do with Incubation.  Its about
> developing a project and in a potentially new direction, no one is
> getting 'free' commit rights to anything.  Projects do change
> direction, they expand, they do more than their original authors ever
> thought, there is nothing wrong with this in the incubator, nor in a
> graduated Apache TLP.
>=20
> -Paul