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Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:19:11 -0700
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From: Paul Querna <paul@querna.org>
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Subject: Re: [libcloud] Java Skeleton Available

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Adrian Cole <ferncam1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there anyone who isn't from IBM that would like to add a java or C
> rewrite of libcloud to the project?

it doesn't matter where someone works in apache projects.

I don't believe this is moving the discussion forward by somehow
devaluing someones comments because of their employer.

I don't appreciate your continued down-trodden view of people trying
to contribute to libcloud -- I understand you have your own project,
great, but by the same token, you aren't a libcloud developer either,
and if the people who are involved in libcloud do want to do
something, you don't need to rain on their parade.

Thanks,

Paul


> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Peter Haggar <pfhaggar@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
>> I think a Java version makes sense and would like to contribute to it.
>>
>> >too early to create fragmentation in the cloud communities.
>> That's exactly what I am trying to avoid and why I think Eric's suggesti=
on
>> is sensible. =C2=A0There's too much fragmentation now and his idea is a =
way to
>> coalesce some of that under one umbrella.
>>
>> >Libcloud is undeniably python focused, and Java doesn't make sense here=
.
>> No argument that it is python focused today, but the question is does it
>> make sense to expand to other languages? =C2=A0I think the answer is Yes=
 because
>> then there is a single API abstraction that supports a wide variety of I=
aaS
>> vendors in multiple languages. =C2=A0Can you explain why that doesn't ma=
ke
>> sense?
>>
>> >I suggest joining a community like jclouds
>> Again, the goal is a single API abstraction, not multiple. =C2=A0Moving =
this to
>> jclouds would create fragmentation and would require users to use the
>> libCloud API for an IaaS abstraction if they are coding in Python, but a
>> different IaaS API if they use Java. =C2=A0Presumably if the community w=
anted to
>> add other languages you'd suggest yet another API? =C2=A0That makes no s=
ense.
>> I'd prefer one API.
>>
>> >...and find it a bad fit, submit your apache incubator proposal.
>> I would like to avoid that as that creates fragmentation.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Adrian Cole <ferncam1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > My thoughts are its too early to create fragmentation in the cloud
>> > communities. =C2=A0Libcloud is undeniably python focused, and Java doe=
sn't
>> make
>> > sense here. I suggest joining a community like jclouds or dasein where
>> you
>> > don't have to change it into something different. Im not sure what you
>> are
>> > so worried about, as IBM cloud is an easy api and on our todolist. If =
you
>> > actually try an existing java community and find it a bad fit, submit
>> your
>> > apache incubator proposal.
>> >
>> > My 2p
>> > Adrian
>> >
>> > On May 20, 2010 10:36 AM, "Eric Woods" <woodstae@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey guys,
>> >
>> > I've been following this discussion about libcloud's future direction
>> very
>> > closely, and thank you all for the great input. =C2=A0I'm trying to ma=
ke sense
>> > of
>> > all this and how it relates to the Java development. =C2=A0I'm still v=
ery
>> > interested in developing a Java code base for libcloud, but I'm not
>> getting
>> > a clear sense of the community's support. =C2=A0I, of course, don't wa=
nt to
>> > spend
>> > the development time and effort writing a Java version of libcloud if =
the
>> > community doesn't support it.
>> >
>> > What are your thoughts on Java development as a sub-project of Apache
>> > libcloud?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > - Eric
>> >
>>
>