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From Adrian Cole <>
Subject Re: [libcloud] Java Skeleton Available
Date Thu, 20 May 2010 20:37:58 GMT

I'm bowing out of this discussion, as I can see I'm too passionate about
this topic, and perhaps I indeed don't understand the incubator process well

I'll continue to try to facilitate sharing across projects and understand it
is likely that there will be a rewrite of libcloud in java in this project.
I don't like all of the duplicate effort that this implies, and think it is
distracting.  I think everyone gets that.

That said, it is not my call, and you are right I am not a libcloud dev.

Apologies for adding to the drama.

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Paul Querna <> wrote:

> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Adrian Cole <> wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > Since this is about java more than python, which is what libcloud is to
> > date, I'm speaking up.
> >
> > The only party concerned outwardly with turning libcloud into java is
> IBM,
> > which is why I raise to the surface this context.  There is a lot of
> > backdoor discussions I have heard about that I could mention, so let's
> not
> > go there.
> No, lets go there.
> There has not been any backdoor collusion between Cloudkick and IBM.
> I am very very tired of your continued allusions to this.
> All that has ever happened, is some people from IBM asked Alex Polvi
> if a libcloud port to java was possible -- Alex did the right thing
> and said its possible, be active in the community, talk about it, and
> submit patches.   There is no secret Cloudkick + IBM Cabal trying to
> take over the Java world with our impressive Apache libcloud project.
> There is no secret room at Cloudkick or IBM where we wrote all the
> code, or where we decided to do anything. Nothing.
> > If you guys want to allow IBM to skip the incubator process, and hand
> them
> > the keys.. just do it.  At least that would be transparent.
> This has absolutely nothing to do with Incubation.  Its about
> developing a project and in a potentially new direction, no one is
> getting 'free' commit rights to anything.  Projects do change
> direction, they expand, they do more than their original authors ever
> thought, there is nothing wrong with this in the incubator, nor in a
> graduated Apache TLP.
> -Paul

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