From kato-spec-return-390-apmail-incubator-kato-spec-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Jun 9 11:17:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-kato-spec-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-kato-spec-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D01469E5 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9004 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jun 2011 11:17:50 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-kato-spec-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 8968 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jun 2011 11:17:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kato-spec-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list kato-spec@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 8952 invoked by uid 99); 9 Jun 2011 11:17:50 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:17:50 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,SPF_NEUTRAL,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [217.146.183.232] (HELO nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.232) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:17:40 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 11:17:19 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.173] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 11:17:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 11:17:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 797385.82129.bm@omp1014.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 35901 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2011 11:17:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1307618239; bh=3quIQdxNkxpXsIzG43SFIo+CPQXx0TH5eGnS0219EPA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bB8nyLEVKUp03RodzDnUpC4OOAQQ5EL68FihsgDfvy0QkLmgvQdoGS4rWwHduwfW1VT37VzduGXcPzg4RMeQaRIMJfDoWpr8cJhsgV8XZ5VZAbwuygzwDeg5v3dPf3pwAryY7neU9GQXh3QWG4MHSWls8U3xoM52mmqmhi5AWaQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vKxnmu4LtrmE7B7AIkPIKFO90Iv3NGlWYwdRq99x/IvJrKJeEZG65qbHnjfyZTC19k3U5ZCyp4ymtB2TsUIU9cjWA0gDSnv5lZjoYK6enRDBq7EgS3OqKyr5fKjS6gJHVSLRxEtt0GwLFF6GqnbknNyoTZfpkO+fXT5VzifpKoI=; Message-ID: <662041.27458.qm@web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: IPYLaZUVM1nw0ZbmBSUTK0a9cIXcOAKMktXHdS0HkR3clWr vup.3a.YyBmj.0EtBgDwPKy2sgyQiLBNdiloQS.5SGPjg4GnW2hFFQtBPM0c MeYE6rofTgEyfzZCuDetO1J3kzVodqJi1iBq3BrvK5HOZWneWluzSWShwX4i 12iBQKWcVC6lknOzEWFieHYwSFCFoktB7NW0A.Onnw6.8OGYKx6633L3Ulnz 1em48VdIR8jS1N.zsgAAu0YCpmf2XqgheauHBeN4C9x_AqTVB7.6batTOJ_c mdCDhDLR3jPRycFN4fpjvIVxsrOAB7ZEsvSvSKHv_kn8ACEKdJqzYg418BkM INlHrkBAZi_UEm30zlvA3 Received: from [93.96.22.108] by web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:17:19 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:17:19 +0100 (BST) From: rcolemail-kato@yahoo.co.uk Reply-To: rcolemail-kato@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Status and a question To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org, kato-dev@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <4DD5114A.4000500@stoo.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hello My preference is to focus on building a comunity and delivering a tool that= adds value to the comunity, so option 3 also gets my vote. Richard Cole --- On Thu, 19/5/11, Stuart Monteith wrote: > From: Stuart Monteith > Subject: Re: Status and a question > To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org > Cc: kato-dev@incubator.apache.org > Date: Thursday, 19 May, 2011, 13:47 > Hello Steve, > =A0=A0=A0 Thanks for the update, that's helpful. I > prefer option 3. I believe it=20 > is better to develop good technology then to standardize > it, rather than=20 > the other way around. >=20 > If we are unenmcumbered by the JSR, then so much the > better. Apache Kato=20 > was always going to have to be more than just the core > specification for=20 > the APIs, the need for the applications to use the APIs is > not affected=20 > by the presence or otherwise of the JSR. Arguably, the JSR > might be=20 > better if more effort is spent on its applications. >=20 > Regards, > =A0=A0=A0 Stuart Monteith >=20 >=20 > On 16/05/11 10:40, Steve Poole wrote: > > Looks like we are finally onto the last mile - one way > or other I should > > have Oracle's final decision in my hands within the > next 8 weeks.=A0 That's a > > long time I know but we've waited a year so far. > > > > Here's my question to anyone still listening: If > Oracle say they will not > > pariticipate at all, or not in the next 12 months what > should we do? > > > > For your deliberations you should be aware that I'm > working in the OpenJDK > > space now.=A0 Some of our technical limitations > (where we needed Oracle to do > > something for us in the JVM) may be solvable simply by > doing the work > > ourselves (outside Apache)=A0 and submitting to > OpenJDK. > > > > Options include : > > > > 1 - Retiring this podling full stop. > > 2 - Move the work to OpenJDK and possibly attempt to > get JSR 326 into JDK8. > > 3 - Defering or dropping the "JSR" part of this > project work and just > > focusing on producing a high quality codebase that > solves peoples problems. > > > > > > Tell me what you think. > > >=20 >