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I wish Janne, you would have gone through jspwiki.org and deleted the 
20-60% of the site that is obsolete today.  Let's shrink the problem and 
see where we are after that.  At any rate, http://www.jspwiki.org/, as 
you describe it, is an orphan work and probably not usable for us.  
Maybe we should just shut it down.  If we create our own Wiki (with 
everything henceforth Apache licensed), within a few to several months 
it will probably repopulate with the most useful material that was on 
the old site anyway.  I would suspect pure facts from www.jspwiki.org 
*can* be transferred to the new site as facts aren't copyrightable.

Can the Commons-licensed http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ be donated to 
Apache or does it have the same copyright problem as 
http://www.jspwiki.org/ ?  It would be nice if we could move 
http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ to the Apache site.

Quote: "Well, because of trademark issues it would be odd that Apache 
would use the word JSPWiki and I'd have still control of the domain."  
Not necessarily, Apache doesn't own www.chemistry.com, www.tomcat.com, 
www.pig.com, www.chemistry.org, www.camel.com, and probably many 
others.  I think the main thing though is that the site can't act like 
it's the Apache product. With the two sites above shut down or moved to 
Apache, you might just be able to release the domain instead of giving 
it to Apache.

Glen


On 01/31/2013 04:12 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
> Well, because of trademark issues it would be odd that Apache would use the word JSPWiki and I'd have still control of the domain.  I can't recall whether I already did the paperwork passing the name to ASF, or whether it was needed in the first place, but I think the consensus was that it's better that ASF takes control of jspwiki.org - even if it's nothing but a redirect to jspwiki.apache.org/wiki or wiki.jspwiki.apache.org or something.
>
> As to the content, that I can't donate to ASF (because of mixed copyrights), so if someone else wants to take a copy and run it on their server under some other domain name (or ASF graciously allows the use of old.jspwiki.org ;-). I cannot run it here anymore for legal reasons.
>
> /Janne
>
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 00:31 , Glen Mazza <glen.mazza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think we should get JSPWIKI-739 done before considering "hatching" out of incubation.  Right now, all of our documentation is off the Apache site and our informal Wiki ("Legacy Site") is under lock-and-key due to Finnish legal reasons.
>>
>> We do not need to shut down the jspwiki.org site--as that's a third-party site we have no control over it (the fact that it's owned by a JSPWiki committer doesn't matter, it's a third-party site and from an Apache JSPWiki perspective it is outside of our control.)  But we should have our system documentation and probably a Wiki to be *on* the Apache site, even if it's duplicated by third party sites like jspwiki.org.  I would like to get the Infra folks to host a JSPWiki site (we are *sooo* much faster than Confluence Wikis, and we could probably get other Apache projects to adopt us) but if they won't do that, and our only options are (1) hosting our documentation off Apache using JSPWiki or (2) hosting our documentation on Apache w/Confluence Wiki, perhaps (2), however unpleasant, should be evaluated.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> On 01/30/2013 04:24 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr�guez wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> all the "management" stuff is done, I think that it's just matter of
>>> demonstrating community readiness/knowing the apache way, which is
>>> something rather difuse. Our next board report is due to next April, so
>>> arriving there with a second release and exposing our intentions of
>>> graduating (previous discussions, voting) should be enough to pass the
>>> graduation IPMC vote, IMO.
>>>
>>> @mentors, WDYT?
>>>
>>>
>>> br,
>>> juan pablo
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Harry Metske <harry.metske@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> but what about graduation, what steps are still necessary, we can't stay in
>>>> the incubator forever...
>>>>
>>>> kind regards,
>>>> Harry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 28 January 2013 21:38, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr�guez <
>>>> juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.9.0 was released last December, and I was wondering if we could release
>>>>> 2.9.1, somewhere in late March*.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.9.1 would be mainly a manteinance release, including not only ~15 fixed
>>>>> issues, or whatever the number of issues solved by then, but also:
>>>>> * requirement of at least Java 6 to compile (as Java 6 is being outdated
>>>>> this February I think it isn't a break-dealer)
>>>>> * ChangeLog published on site
>>>>> * initial maven support (JSPWIKI-651)
>>>>> * drop TranslatorReader (deprecated since 2.3 and unused in src)
>>>>>
>>>>> The last one should -technically- be done on 2.10 scope, but it's been
>>>> ages
>>>>> since it was deprecated and unused... Anyone using it nowadays, is it
>>>> safe
>>>>> to remove? Thoughts on the other points?
>>>>>
>>>>> * saying "late March", but meaning "as the points agreed to be included
>>>> in
>>>>> 2.9.1 are done"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> br,
>>>>> juan pablo
>>>>>