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From Glen Mazza <>
Subject Re: [jira] [Commented] (JSPWIKI-739) Move content to ASF-owned VM
Date Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:01:44 GMT
Apparently is already all Commons-Licensed (looking at the 
license at the bottom of the page), so that can probably move over 100% 
immediately, with the corresponding docs.jspwiki site closed down, as 
well as the sandbox wiki.  So that's 2 out of 3 right there.

For the rest, I don't see a rush.  I think the main goal should be that 
everything on the new Wiki be Apache-licensed.  If we can create it now 
and it takes a few months for to be shrunk, that should be 
also OK.  (2) below can probably be done soon--you're just deleting from 
the left-side menu the stuff that is already on the main Apache 
site--and (1) and (3) more gradually over time.

I would recommend though against being an endless archive, 
as it will keep showing up in Google.  Rather to keep scavenging from it 
(either delete unused material, or *move* the material elsewhere but 
never just *copy* it and retain it in two places) and let it get smaller 
and smaller over time.


On 12/02/2012 11:38 AM, Harry Metske wrote:
> In general I agree with Glen that we should thoroughly clean out "the old
> stuff".
> But I don't like the idea of completely deleting it very soon.
> I prefer starting with a clean 2.9.0 wiki at the new Apache VM and copying
> over relevant stuff from the old wiki if the license permits so.
> (immediately eating our own dogfood)
> Once the basic structure of the new wiki is complete, we put a clear hint
> on the old wiki that is has become a sort of archive and refer/redirect to
> the new wiki.
> Then, we could have a look at the statistics (access.log ? pagecounts?) of
> the old wiki, and decide if it is still useful.
> (We could also host a new SandBox wiki in the new VM, right?)
> regards,
> Harry
> On 2 December 2012 16:57, Glen Mazza (JIRA) <> wrote:
>>      [
>> Glen Mazza commented on JSPWIKI-739:
>> ------------------------------------
>> I don't like Roy's answer here (from the email you cited above):
>> "In other words, you can just say
>>    Unless otherwise noted, contributions to this wiki are licensed
>>    to the Apache Software Foundation as contributions under the
>>    Apache License, version 2.0."
>> We're just kicking the can down the road by having licensing *other* than
>> Apache License, Version 2.0 on the new wiki.  Companies use the WikiText in
>> their documentation and they need the comfort that it's 100%
>> Apache-licensed and can be freely used just like Apache source code.  Going
>> forward, it needs to be understood that whatever a person writes on the
>> Apache Wiki is immediately Apache-licensed, and if they don't like that,
>> then don't post any Wiki content (i.e., no "unless otherwise noted" section
>> that Roy is suggesting).  I.e., we need to have a proverbial fire where all
>> old records are lost so we can start anew with 100% Apache licensed Content.
>> What I see here is a three-step process:
>> 1.) Shrink by deleting as many outdated or marginally useful
>> pages as possible.  For example, the UserList can completely go (it's out
>> of date and we can create a brand-new user list later), and most of the
>> Ongoing Discussion links predate 2010 and hence also can be removed.  This,
>> for example ( is absurdly
>> out of date and we should just refer people to the build.xml for those who
>> need an authoritative list of that info.
>> 2.) Go down the left-side menu, delete all pages that are already covered
>> by the main Apache JSPWiki page (Mailing List, documentation link, JIRA
>> URL, Getting Involved, etc.)  Anything there that should be on the main
>> Apache JSPWiki site (, either
>> directly add it or just make a note and we can put it there later.
>> 3.) Move all the *factual* HOWTO material from to
>> (or a new --
>> include no matter-of-opinion, random discussion, thoughts, etc.  Factual
>> material "2 + 3 = 5" that can't be stated any other way generally will not
>> have the copyright concerns.  If there's any material we don't know who
>> wrote and remain concerned about moving it to, I
>> think it's better to just delete it and start anew, then to go forward with
>> the shackles of "orphan works" (
>> hampering the new Apache-hosted wiki.
>> 4.) By this stage, should have nothing on it and
>> can be shut down.  Instead we then discuss how to move
>> to the new Apache Wiki, with all of it 100%
>> Apache-owned.
>> I can help on #1 and #2 if desired, then we can look at what's left for #3
>> before proceeding with it.
>>> Move content to ASF-owned VM
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>                  Key: JSPWIKI-739
>>>                  URL:
>>>              Project: JSPWiki
>>>           Issue Type: Task
>>>     Affects Versions: Graduating
>>>             Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
>>>             Assignee: Florian Holeczek
>>>              Fix For: Graduating
>>> content needs to be moved over to ASF-hosted place.
>>   Apparently VMs are available.
>>> We can either move to Apache, or I can keep the domain and
>> point everything to
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