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From Harry Metske <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:58:42 GMT
Ross (and others),

to comment on your question
"please provide a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan
were rejected and what activities have been undertaken to turn this
"failure" to graduation."

When we started our ASF adventure, the intent was to use JSPWiki 3.0 as
graduation candidate. This 3.0 release had 2 major changes, JCR backend and
Stripes front-end.
Both new components were a 99% effort of Janne and Andrew. After 2 to 3
years these two components were not finished, and both Janne and Andrew
could not spend enough time to get it finished. My idea is that with these
two big changes pending it was too much for the rest of the committers to
grasp all this.

Three changes made me change my mind a bit on my first statement:
* the decision (based on votes on the list) to drop these two components
and go back to the "classic" JSPWiki as the graduation candidate
* Juan Pablo stepping up, and becoming more active than the years before
* Florian stating in [1] : "So, assumed that there are quite some people
left willing to finish graduation, I'd be willing to take charge of the
related tasks."

[1] -

Hope this is an answer to your question.

kind regards,
Harry Metske

2012/4/16 Ross Gardler <>

> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the
> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects
> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from
> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other
> occasions.
> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said:
> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who
> can
> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than
> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time
> nor
> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say
> that
> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some
> other
> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator."
> and Harry said:
> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both
> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much
> time for the project either anymore.
> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point
> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)"
> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea
> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation.
> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
> styles of incubation activity.
> Ross
> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
> <> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since
> then
> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases
> following
> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have
> received
> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> > using accepted Apache practices.
> >
> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> > Incubator.
> >
> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki
> is
> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list.
> The
> > complete graduation process is described [1].
> >
> > Please cast your votes:
> >
> > [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> > [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> > [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
> >
> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > juan pablo
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective

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